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Post by Brad Stevens on Sept 7, 2021 2:59:55 GMT
Milwaukee receives: Mohamed Bamba $5,882,900 $7,441,869 $9,815,825 RJ Hampton $2,882,000 $3,026,000 $3,170,300 $4,695,214 $6,531,043 Draft Rights to Scottie Barnes Draft Rights to Ziaire Williams Draft Rights to Quentin Grimes Avery Bradley $30,746,848 (dead money) (passes Amare rule as he was cut in January) Total Salary - $39,511,750 Phoenix receives: Anthony Davis $36,419,128 $38,648,870 Mikal Bridges $3,719,700 $4,738,898 $6,421,207 Total Salary - $40,138,830 Within 125% +100K I accept. AD was not a target originally but the value is too much to pass up & allows lots of options moving forward. I'm very high on Bridges & he fits what I'm looking for. Glenn Robinson |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Sept 7, 2021 3:06:57 GMT
I accept.
It's hard to make moves like this, but I felt like my teams reached it's max ceiling and we were only watching everyone around us get better. It was an amazing run that brought us a Championship and many winning seasons, but we felt it was in the best interest long-term for the franchise to take a pivot and make some changes with an eye on the future.
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Post by Alex English on Sept 7, 2021 5:28:01 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 7, 2021 8:28:38 GMT
Brad Stevens how do you plan to re-sign Anthony Davis next summer? He will be the only All Star calibre player on your team, and whether his presence alone gets you into the Playoffs is anyone's guess. If you plan to trade AD for other assets after acquiring him, can you point me in the direction of which teams are able to take on a salary of that size and re-sign him without Bird Rights whilst giving you a return that exceeds the youth you're giving away for him?
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Post by Brad Stevens on Sept 7, 2021 11:15:14 GMT
Brad Stevens how do you plan to re-sign Anthony Davis next summer? He will be the only All Star calibre player on your team, and whether his presence alone gets you into the Playoffs is anyone's guess. If you plan to trade AD for other assets after acquiring him, can you point me in the direction of which teams are able to take on a salary of that size and re-sign him without Bird Rights whilst giving you a return that exceeds the youth you're giving away for him? Ideally I flip AD. Not overly interested giving up leverage by identifying target teams here but I don't foresee a problem netting a return coupled with Mikal that exceeds what I gave up. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 7, 2021 12:37:20 GMT
I'll accept.
Similar to Washington trading for Kawhi despite noone else on the roster worth talking about,
I'll be extremely surprised if this works out long term, but also like the Kawhi trade you're getting a Top 10 player and what you get back for them will be a barometer of your GMing.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Sept 7, 2021 13:34:46 GMT
From my perspective, Kawhi getting moved with essentially a 1 year deal (injury, PO) isn't that far off from this. He was basically let go for an all-star center and a top 10 pick. I'm moving Davis on a 1 year deal for a top 5 pick, and some late round fliers and an oft injured Mo Bamba.
I understand trading draft picks is a sin in this league, as they are valued higher than gold, but I also feel like I'm taking a risk by moving a top 5-10 player for guys who could wind up becoming the next Kevin Knox or Dennis Smith Jr.... etc. the list is long of rookies not panning out.
It wasn't my plan going into the off-season per say, but I've also been building this team up for almost a decade. Had many winning seasons and a championship, but it was becoming stale. I felt this was a good time to look at starting up something new.
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Post by Alex English on Sept 8, 2021 16:02:14 GMT
This trade is awful. I thought I'd come back after a couple days to give some proper thoughts, but I'm still not over my initial reaction:
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 10, 2021 19:04:02 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Sept 11, 2021 4:27:14 GMT
I... Hm.
Well, then again- no, nope. Damn.
Really not sure here.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Sept 11, 2021 4:29:40 GMT
Reaaaaally does not feel like enough value for AD.
Willing to assess my own valuations. Barnes is a high pick... Hmm.
Then again, AD will need to be re-signed or traded so maybe the value is very different.
Then again he is still AD and I still feel like this value feels way off to me.
Like to think on it a little more
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 11, 2021 10:31:17 GMT
FWIW I've been asked to get involved in a 3-way-trade involving AD already and I don't doubt he will find a new home. Whether the return for PHX will be anything near the value of all this outgoing youth still remains to be seen though imho
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Sept 11, 2021 13:42:32 GMT
I’ll accept.
I personally would of preferred to see the 3 way deal here but chatting with gms and Brad, he definitely has a goal in mind and has a vision. I think this is personally a good return for AD who has 1 year left on his deal and no birds.
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Post by James Kay on Sept 13, 2021 16:38:43 GMT
2 Accepts, 0 Rejects.
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Post by Danny Longley on Sept 13, 2021 18:35:35 GMT
I just don't like any side of this. For Milwaukee, It doesn't feel like enough value for AD and Bridges. For Phoenix AD almost surely bolts next year. Maybe there's another deal in the works, but I can only really vote based on what I see.
Reject.
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Post by Alex English on Sept 14, 2021 18:26:13 GMT
 I feel like it would take too long to explain my thoughts on this one. Nobody wants to read a giant essay. Long story short, this trade is awful and I accept. ...also being allowed to trade dead money expiring contracts is dumb and should be against the rules. |
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Post by Jerry West on Sept 14, 2021 18:42:10 GMT
I feel like it would take too long to explain my thoughts on this one. Nobody wants to read a giant essay. Long story short, this trade is awful and I accept. ...also being allowed to trade dead money expiring contracts is dumb and should be against the rules. Amare rule is for all expiring contracts, not players cut late in the season. I dont get how long we are going accepting trades like this. |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Sept 14, 2021 22:22:13 GMT
...also being allowed to trade dead money expiring contracts is dumb and should be against the rules. Weren't you involved in deals that used a dead contract back in April? I'm all for voting on it but we weren't trying to purposely skirt any rules. Just doing what's always been happening. |
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Post by Alex English on Sept 15, 2021 3:20:12 GMT
...also being allowed to trade dead money expiring contracts is dumb and should be against the rules. Weren't you involved in deals that used a dead contract back in April? I'm all for voting on it but we weren't trying to purposely skirt any rules. Just doing what's always been happening. I was too vague. I mean trading expiring dead money contracts after the trade deadline should be against the rules. It's an obvious and unnecessary loophole. It's only been a thing for a couple months and I said it was a bad idea at the time. Trading an expiring dead money contract before the trade deadline is not a problem at all and has been a thing forever. You're right about that. |
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Post by Jerry West on Sept 15, 2021 11:11:52 GMT
A reminder that Avery Bradley contract already expired and no longer exists and yet it's being traded
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Sept 15, 2021 11:40:36 GMT
This trade is in fact illegal: (In-Game Date) April 19th: Trade Deadline for all players with expiring contracts. No expiring players can be traded after April 19th (excludes Team Options, includes Player Options and released players (see Amare Stoudmire Rule)). The above rule in the trading regulations page clearly says that No expiring players can be traded after the trade deadline, and explicitly says that includes released players. The Amare Rule simply says you cannot release a player after the trade deadline, but has no mention of trading. Therefore, this trade (and others that have traded expiring released players) are illegal! |
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Sept 15, 2021 13:21:08 GMT
A reminder that Avery Bradley contract already expired and no longer exists and yet it's being traded If this contract is expired due to the deadline, why are we all still making trades using last years salary? I think that is tripping people up. If there is an issue with this trade, we can nix it. But it would seem there is a larger league issue with other trades going through using expired deals, going months back after the initial April deadline (See George Gervin posts). |
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Post by Alex English on Sept 15, 2021 22:12:16 GMT
This trade is in fact illegal: (In-Game Date) April 19th: Trade Deadline for all players with expiring contracts. No expiring players can be traded after April 19th (excludes Team Options, includes Player Options and released players (see Amare Stoudmire Rule)). The above rule in the trading regulations page clearly says that No expiring players can be traded after the trade deadline, and explicitly says that includes released players. The Amare Rule simply says you cannot release a player after the trade deadline, but has no mention of trading. Therefore, this trade (and others that have traded expiring released players) are illegal! While this rule is a total mess, this wording was a more recent edit. I assume the Aug 7 edit as stated in the rule post. Also for this trade specifically, it doesn't even matter how the salaries are done. PHX had just $32 million on the books for next season prior to this deal. They easily have the space to just take AD's big contract and forget about including Bradley's contract. I also think Ian Noble 's intent was to make it against the rules the cut a player for the purpose of trading them, but still allow previously cut players to be able to be trade? That's still a pointless loophole imo, but makes more sense as to why it references the Amare rule. Given the dates of all those trades George Gervin posted, and that for this deal it can be done with or without Bradley, I don't think anything is actually against the rules as the were at the time. The obvious way to clean all this up is to just make all expiring contracts, dead money included, not be allowed to be traded after the trade deadline. It's so simple it just might work! |
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 16, 2021 9:14:20 GMT
The obvious way to clean all this up is to just make all expiring contracts, dead money included, not be allowed to be traded after the trade deadline. It's so simple it just might work! People do seem to be calling for this to be a rule, but I really don't understand why it needs to be a rule?! |
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Post by Alex English on Sept 16, 2021 20:37:05 GMT
The obvious way to clean all this up is to just make all expiring contracts, dead money included, not be allowed to be traded after the trade deadline. It's so simple it just might work! People do seem to be calling for this to be a rule, but I really don't understand why it needs to be a rule?! Conversely, I don't understand why there needs to be an exception. Saying 'no expiring contracts can be traded after the trade deadline' is simple and easy to understand. Why it's 'no expiring contracts can be traded after the trade deadline, except dead money contracts for players cut prior to the deadline' doesn't make any sense to me. It's such an odd loophole and I don't understand the reasoning for it. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 19, 2021 14:27:15 GMT
So far the talk about the rule is holding up this trade passing, so for now I'm processing it, we can discuss the rule later.
Trade passed.
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