TOR - SAC

[Bryan Colangelo]

To Toronto Raptors
78| Rodney Hood - $4,008,000 - $4,906,310 - $5,804,620
18th Overall in 2021 Draft

Total Incoming Salary: $4,008,000
Total Outgoing Salary: $4,696,620

To Sacramento Kings
73| Oshae Brissett - 900,000 - 900,000 - 900,000
Sterling Brown - $2,000,000 - dead contract
Admiral Schofield - $1,796,620 - dead contract

Total Incoming: $4,696,620
Total Outgoing: $4,008,000

[Bryan Colangelo]

I accept, this trade can be queued to when the draft starts to be official. I confirmed with Ian about the bird rights of Oshae and using dead contracts in this trade.

[Amare Stoudemire]

Accept
I like Oshae brissett and what he brings to the table right now, I also get under the hard cap for next year

[Alex English]

Jul 19, 2021 16:50:19 GMT Bryan Colangelo said:

I confirmed with Ian about the bird rights of Oshae and using dead contracts in this trade.

What? We're going to allow trading expiring contracts if it's dead money? That seems like purposely opening up a massive loophole that basically breaks the rule.

Every team could then just cut a player with an expiring contract and now they're tradeable. It makes no difference either since they're about to be a free agent. Who cares if they finish out the season as a player or dead money contract?

[Bryan Colangelo]

Jul 19, 2021 18:56:47 GMT Alex English said:

Jul 19, 2021 16:50:19 GMT Bryan Colangelo said:

I confirmed with Ian about the bird rights of Oshae and using dead contracts in this trade.

What? We're going to allow trading expiring contracts if it's dead money? That seems like purposely opening up a massive loophole that basically breaks the rule.

Every team could then just cut a player with an expiring contract and now they're tradeable. It makes no difference either since they're about to be a free agent. Who cares if they finish out the season as a player or dead money contract?

I'll let Ian Noble speak about it but I guess the way Ian looks at it is if you cut a player at the end of the season to gain the right to trade the "dead money" you won't have that player to help you in the playoffs. Therefore being the GM loss

[Ian Noble]

Obviously that's a covert method of creating tradeable assets but I can't foresee it being much of a problem, what with roster size limits and the fact it wont likely include any players of note?

I accept the trade.

[Jerry West]

Jul 20, 2021 13:27:31 GMT Ian Noble said:

Obviously that's a covert method of creating tradeable assets but I can't foresee it being much of a problem, what with roster size limits and the fact it wont likely include any players of note?

I accept the trade.

So if I cut LMA now I can still trade him?

[James Kay]

Deadline Rule:

Trade Deadline for all players with expiring contracts. No expiring players can be traded after April 19th (includes Player Options, excludes Team Options).

Ian Noble

I don't have a problem with this trade or similar trades occurring, but I think that this is plainly in violation of the trade deadline rules. So if we are allowing this, we should note this in the rules.

In any case, this *certainly* won't be a minor loophole. With how many tanking teams there are in D5, and how unlikely they are to bring back talent, this essentially says that all expirings are tradable.

[Alex English]

Well, I disagree that this trade should be allowed. It pretty much kills the expiring contract restriction. There will now be a period of time between the end of the playoffs and the start of the offseason where all teams can just cut their expiring players to make trades and it makes no difference as all games have ended. Teams will now be able to dump salaries right up until the day before we progress to the offseason, which as far as I remember, was one of the main reasons we made the rule.

I'm really curious to see the effect this will have and I think there's a good chance we'll need to revisit this. But so long as this will be allowed, I think this is a fair trade. If Brissett continues on from how he played for Indiana this season, then he's easily worth the 18th pick.

I accept.

Also, in case anybody is interested, I have $30+ million in expiring dead money contracts that can now be traded. Who wants to free up cap space?

[Jeremiah Hill]

I'm with James and Alex, this is clear violation of the rule. People don't get "cut" after the end of the regular season.

[Walt Frazier]

Feels a little off to me, too, but if the big man is saying it's allowed as of now, then I will also vote "Accept" on the trade.

[Danny Longley]

Wouldn't matter at this point but I'd probably reject on principle. I guess it's fair value but it's just value that I don't feel the Raps should have at this point of the season.

Completely unrelated note, I've got $60 million in expiring contracts that I could cut OTB.

[Ian Noble]

Trade passed.

[James Kay]

Jul 20, 2021 13:27:31 GMT Ian Noble said:

Obviously that's a covert method of creating tradeable assets but I can't foresee it being much of a problem, what with roster size limits and the fact it wont likely include any players of note?

I accept the trade.

I think we need to revisit this. What is the point of not allowing expiring players to be traded? If there is no point, get rid of the rule. Otherwise, allowing players to be cut and then traded is a clear violation of this rule. We're in the off-season now, so what roster are you even cutting them from? It's ridiculous.

[Ian Noble]

Aug 5, 2021 23:13:41 GMT James Kay said:

Jul 20, 2021 13:27:31 GMT Ian Noble said:

Obviously that's a covert method of creating tradeable assets but I can't foresee it being much of a problem, what with roster size limits and the fact it wont likely include any players of note?

I accept the trade.

I think we need to revisit this. What is the point of not allowing expiring players to be traded? If there is no point, get rid of the rule. Otherwise, allowing players to be cut and then traded is a clear violation of this rule. We're in the off-season now, so what roster are you even cutting them from? It's ridiculous.

I agree.

And Amare Stoudemire will be thrilled to see there's now a rule named after him regarding player releases dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/6/player-release-guidelines

[George Gervin]

Trade #4 - similar to the points being made on AD to PHX, has a contract that can’t be traded (Brown and Schoefield) and therefore is illegal