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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 5, 2021 20:00:21 GMT
We have seen a surging increase in tanking in recent years, with teams even like Denver blowing it up to tank and rebuild. Unfortunately, this is getting a bit out of hand in our league and really destroying the competitive balance. The increase in tanking has led to any decent player landing in just a handful of teams, with bad teams not wanting anyone with any talent to increase their win total. This has, of course, led to super teams in D5, which has become a hot topic of discussion recently.
My proposal to eliminate tanking, and therefore super teams, is to limit the number of rookie scale contracts (i.e. any player on his initial contract) that any one team is allowed to have. I propose that no team may hold more than THREE (3) rookie scale players at one time.
The punishment for holding more than 3 rookie scale contracts would be for those players to be reverse-stretched, which would be multiplying their salary x5 for the next 3 seasons, until the team only has 3 rookie scales remaining.
This proposal would discourage tanking and as such restore competitive balance to the league.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 5, 2021 20:02:14 GMT
With all due respect Josh this is an awful idea. It's extremely complicated
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 5, 2021 20:02:28 GMT
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 5, 2021 20:04:20 GMT
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 5, 2021 20:04:50 GMT
Of course only tankers disagree with this rule
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Apr 5, 2021 20:23:27 GMT
My proposal to eliminate tanking, and therefore super teams, i. Or how about a counter proposal for easier elimination of super teams. Every team can only have two players on max contract. If team has more than 3, one of them will be released and placed in free agent pool where teams with worst records can pick players up (expansion draft style)
This proposal would discourage tanking as stars are divided more equally and as such restore competitive balance to the league.
This was sarcasm obviously. Just don't know how else to reply to such stupid proposal.. and no this has nothing to do with me being tanker.
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 5, 2021 20:32:19 GMT
Are there no Wheel sycophants in D5? It is THE tanking solution to all problems lol
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Post by Alex English on Apr 5, 2021 20:34:21 GMT
I like this idea a lot. We should implement it now. I also have an idea we could do as well that would immediately end tanking. Every year after our rookie draft we have a one round draft of all players in the league. So you finish last in the standings? Now you get to draft Lebron.
It's perfect because not only does it end tanking by immediately adding the best players to the worst teams, but it also takes the best players away from the top teams. It's the ultimately idea in competitive balance and talent redistribution. We should call it the D5 Communism Draft.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 5, 2021 22:12:29 GMT
I agree with Josh Barber
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Post by Steve Nash on Apr 5, 2021 22:59:29 GMT
I think we should make the league as close to the NBA as we can. I understand the idea behind this (preventing the stock piling of rookie scale contracts), but this seems like an unnatural departure from the NBA
Edit: whoosh lol
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 5, 2021 23:03:15 GMT
While this is an obvious troll job on Josh's part, I always find it slightly amusing when we talk about realism. Over half of you would be fired by your owners for the G league rosters you proudly parade out, if we really want to be real about it
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 5, 2021 23:23:26 GMT
While this is an obvious troll job on Josh's part, I always find it slightly amusing when we talk about realism. Over half of you would be fired by your owners for the G league rosters you proudly parade out, if we really want to be real about it They do not want to get real about. I will not be shocked if they even feel that they are really good GMs with what they are doing.
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 6, 2021 1:49:15 GMT
While this is an obvious troll job on Josh's part, I always find it slightly amusing when we talk about realism. Over half of you would be fired by your owners for the G league rosters you proudly parade out, if we really want to be real about it They do not want to get real about. I will not be shocked if they even feel that they are really good GMs with what they are doing. Funny that you’re the GM constantly getting on about realism when in one offseason you doled out $72 MM in contracts to FAs to trade all but one of them within the next season, including one signed player (Covington) four days after the Dec. 15 date when you were eligible to trade him. If we are talking realism, any GM who did that after being given the keys to spend $70 MM would be canned by their owner. Don’t throw stones in glass houses when you’re guilty of the things you abhor.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 6, 2021 3:57:37 GMT
They do not want to get real about. I will not be shocked if they even feel that they are really good GMs with what they are doing. Funny that you’re the GM constantly getting on about realism when in one offseason you doled out $72 MM in contracts to FAs to trade all but one of them within the next season, including one signed player (Covington) four days after the Dec. 15 date when you were eligible to trade him. If we are talking realism, any GM who did that after being given the keys to spend $70 MM would be canned by their owner. Don’t throw stones in glass houses when you’re guilty of the things you abhor. ad hominem. That is a good sign for my argument against tanking. Thank you
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 6, 2021 4:05:42 GMT
They do not want to get real about. I will not be shocked if they even feel that they are really good GMs with what they are doing. Funny that you’re the GM constantly getting on about realism when in one offseason you doled out $72 MM in contracts to FAs to trade all but one of them within the next season, including one signed player (Covington) four days after the Dec. 15 date when you were eligible to trade him. If we are talking realism, any GM who did that after being given the keys to spend $70 MM would be canned by their owner. Don’t throw stones in glass houses when you’re guilty of the things you abhor. And the 2019 batch of free agent signings of GSW, wants to say hi! D Angelo Russell Willie Cauley Stein Alec Burks Glenn Robinson III
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Apr 6, 2021 5:27:10 GMT
I think we should make the league as close to the NBA as we can. This would be my preferred solution also. Would it add some complicated rules that might take some time to understand, for sure.. would it still allow super teams and tanking, yeap. But it would be challenging and fun. I do understand we can't implement every rule same as in NBA, but in general I think it would be better to try to go to that direction instead of making some rules that are completely different than NBA
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 6, 2021 11:19:04 GMT
Funny that you’re the GM constantly getting on about realism when in one offseason you doled out $72 MM in contracts to FAs to trade all but one of them within the next season, including one signed player (Covington) four days after the Dec. 15 date when you were eligible to trade him. If we are talking realism, any GM who did that after being given the keys to spend $70 MM would be canned by their owner. Don’t throw stones in glass houses when you’re guilty of the things you abhor. And the 2019 batch of free agent signings of GSW, wants to say hi! D Angelo Russell Willie Cauley Stein Alec Burks Glenn Robinson III Are you seriously using the moves of a 3x NBA champion GM and EotY to justify your 2018 offseason signings of Batum, Niang, TLC, Ellington, Ingles, and Covington, complaints about “the System” robbing you, then subsequent dump of all those players within the proceeding year (except for Ellington) because you had some change in your master strategy after just a season? That’s about as disingenuous a parallel that you could draw
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 6, 2021 11:38:22 GMT
And the 2019 batch of free agent signings of GSW, wants to say hi! D Angelo Russell Willie Cauley Stein Alec Burks Glenn Robinson III Are you seriously using the moves of a 3x NBA champion GM and EotY to justify your 2018 offseason signings of Batum, Niang, TLC, Ellington, Ingles, and Covington, complaints about “the System” robbing you, then subsequent dump of all those players within the proceeding year (except for Ellington) because you had some change in your master strategy after just a season? That’s about as disingenuous a parallel that you could draw nope. I am trying to answer back to your argument that what I did was not realistic. That it is not realistic for franchises to sign a bunch of players in the offseason and then trade them during the season. It happens IRL. I gave you my evidence. And, another ad hominem? Okay. That is a good indication again for my arguments. Thanks
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 6, 2021 12:19:17 GMT
Are you seriously using the moves of a 3x NBA champion GM and EotY to justify your 2018 offseason signings of Batum, Niang, TLC, Ellington, Ingles, and Covington, complaints about “the System” robbing you, then subsequent dump of all those players within the proceeding year (except for Ellington) because you had some change in your master strategy after just a season? That’s about as disingenuous a parallel that you could draw nope. I am trying to answer back to your argument that what I did was not realistic. That it is not realistic for franchises to sign a bunch of players in the offseason and then trade them during the season. It happens IRL. I gave you my evidence. And, another ad hominem? Okay. That is a good indication again for my arguments. Thanks Except your argument is flawed as you’re justifying actions you executed on the basis that because a GM who, arguably outside of Presti in OKC and Pop in San Antonio is one the League’s most secure GMs in his position, has way more latitude and benefit of the doubt afforded did this, what you did was fine. In reality, you sold those players in that offseason on a vision, then said as soon as you could to the prize of that offseason (I use prize very, very loosely) to GTFO. All but one of those additions followed Covington out the door by season’s end. To further this point on the argument front, you know who despises those kinds of moves when they sign with a team and then are punted as soon as eligible? Agents, players, families— which many of your posts seem to imbue that you’re all about the players, yet you discarded all of them.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 6, 2021 22:35:39 GMT
nope. I am trying to answer back to your argument that what I did was not realistic. That it is not realistic for franchises to sign a bunch of players in the offseason and then trade them during the season. It happens IRL. I gave you my evidence. And, another ad hominem? Okay. That is a good indication again for my arguments. Thanks Except your argument is flawed as you’re justifying actions you executed on the basis that because a GM who, arguably outside of Presti in OKC and Pop in San Antonio is one the League’s most secure GMs in his position, has way more latitude and benefit of the doubt afforded did this, what you did was fine. In reality, you sold those players in that offseason on a vision, then said as soon as you could to the prize of that offseason (I use prize very, very loosely) to GTFO. All but one of those additions followed Covington out the door by season’s end. To further this point on the argument front, you know who despises those kinds of moves when they sign with a team and then are punted as soon as eligible? Agents, players, families— which many of your posts seem to imbue that you’re all about the players, yet you discarded all of them. The second paragraph was well taken and well played out by the "system" here. Check the record books, of what happened. For your first paragraph, I am not justifying my actions. Again, your main argument is that it is happening in real life. I gave you my argument, with evidence, that it happens. Now, if your point is that, the GM of GSW can do that because he has the latitude...That bold part is not simulated in D5. We have not reached that point where we have owners or any other person to answer to. So, that is invalid.
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Post by Alex English on Apr 6, 2021 22:59:05 GMT
We have not reached that point where we have owners or any other person to answer to. So, that is invalid. Isn't this the same with tanking? It's only unrealistic in the NBA because the "system" prevents them and guys like Sam Hinkie get booted out. In D5 we have nobody to answer to so we're free to tank as much as we want. So aren't your arguments against the realism of tanking invalid?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 6, 2021 23:28:48 GMT
We have not reached that point where we have owners or any other person to answer to. So, that is invalid. Isn't this the same with tanking? It's only unrealistic in the NBA because the "system" prevents them and guys like Sam Hinkie get booted out. In D5 we have nobody to answer to so we're free to tank as much as we want. So aren't your arguments against the realism of tanking invalid?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 7, 2021 1:40:13 GMT
Of course only tankers disagree with this rule I disagree with it as well given that my entire team was built in that way.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Apr 7, 2021 22:00:11 GMT
We have not reached that point where we have owners or any other person to answer to. So, that is invalid. Isn't this the same with tanking? It's only unrealistic in the NBA because the "system" prevents them and guys like Sam Hinkie get booted out. In D5 we have nobody to answer to so we're free to tank as much as we want. So aren't your arguments against the realism of tanking invalid? Thanks for destroying my mini-argument trap Alex.
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