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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 17:29:15 GMT
Current Overall Rating: 80 Suggested Overall Rating: 85 Ratings That Should Increase: FG Shooting, Offensive Awareness, Free Throws, Range, Inside Scoring, and Stamina. Stats: 14.8 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 3.4 BPG, 60.2 FG%, and 88.1 FT%. In the past, Ibaka did SO MUCH for OKC that I felt like his rating did not reflect his productivity on the court. If you need proof of that, look at his performance in the playoffs last year; unbelievable! However, his current offensive stats are beyond amazing and demonstrate his improvement. While I know Harden's departure gives him more opportunities on the offensive end, it does not explain his field goal and free throw percentages. For a player to improve his free throw percentage by TWENTY-TWO PERCENT shows commitment and makes that player much more lethal. Can you imagine if Shaq could have improved his free throw percentage by 22 percent? That is good enough for 17th in the whole league, and 3rd amongst big men behind Marc Gasol and Brandon Bass. His field goal percent went from a respectable 53 percent to an astounding 60 percent. Currently, Ibaka sits 4th in field goal % in the NBA behind Tyson Chandler, Dwight Howard, and DeAndre Jordan. Offensively, all Chandler, Howard, and Jordan can do is dunk, while Ibaka can help an offense in many more ways because of his perimeter shooting. Thus, those three are likely to shoot a higher field goal percentage because they do not shoot unless it is a dunk; making Ibaka's accomplishment much more impressive. Additionally, despite his improved offensive game, Ibaka still leads the league in shot blocking year in and year out. Thus, Ibaka produces as much, if not more, than players around his suggested rating. Even if points and rebounds are similar with some of these guys, Ibaka stills blocks more shots than they do. Some comparable include: 82 DeMarcus Cousins - 82 Nene 82 Emeka Okafor 82 Tyson Chandler 82 Andrew Bogut 82 David West 83 Zach Randolph 83 Rashard Lewis 83 Marc Gasol 83 Shawn Marion 83 Metta World Peace 83 Joakim Noah 84 Paul Millsap 84 Luol Deng 84 Al Jefferson 84 Elton Brand 85 Gerald Wallace 85 Carlos Boozer 85 Lamar Odom 86 Al Horford 89 Pau Gasol 90 Kevin Garnett 93 Amar'e Stoudemire Best Comparable: Josh Smith (85) - 2012/2013 Stats: + = Josh Smith Wins - = Serge Ibaka Wins 16.1 PPG (+1.3) 7.6 RPG (Exact Same; Ibaka gets more Offensive Rebounds) 3.7 APG (+3.3) 2.4 BPG (-1.0) 1.4 SPG (+1.2) FG%: 44.4% (-15.8%) FT%: 47.8% (-40.3%) *NOTE*: Josh Smith plays 3.2 MPG more than Ibaka.As you can see, I think Ibaka makes a pretty strong case for a rating increase.
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Post by Alex English on Dec 1, 2012 20:31:07 GMT
Serge Ibaka is not an 85. Does 14.8ppg 7.6rpg and 3.4bpg really merit that? If it does then most of the guys on that list deserve some serious increases.
Obviously stats aren't everything though. All the focus is on Durant and Westbrook but I'm not sure if that is hurting his stats like it was for Harden or if it's boosting them because he gets a lot less attention from the defence.
The Josh Smith comparison is really misleading too. Lets compare last year where Smith averaged 18.8 and 9.6 to Ibaka's 9.1 and 7.5. They're not so similar anymore.
I think Ibaka is fine where he is at an 80 and if he continues his production at this level for the whole season then he might deserve a 2 or 3 point boost.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 20:44:10 GMT
Serge Ibaka is not an 85. Does 14.8ppg 7.6rpg and 3.4bpg really merit that? If it does then most of the guys on that list deserve some serious increases. Obviously stats aren't everything though. All the focus is on Durant and Westbrook but I'm not sure if that is hurting his stats like it was for Harden or if it's boosting them because he gets a lot less attention from the defence. The Josh Smith comparison is really misleading too. Lets compare last year where Smith averaged 18.8 and 9.6 to Ibaka's 9.1 and 7.5. They're not so similar anymore. I think Ibaka is fine where he is at an 80 and if he continues his production at this level for the whole season then he might deserve a 2 or 3 point boost. Ibaka did not starting playing basketball until later in life. Thus, he started behind other players. Obviously, he possesses a lot of talent but offensive skills are the last thing to come to a player. As a result, he is just now starting to find his offensive streak. If you feel like he should be an 80 now, then do you feel as though our ratings overrated him last year? I also do not think people give enough respect to 3+ BPG. That in itself warrants a lot of respect. Now that Ibaka can score the ball a little bit, I think he clearly deserves to be above an 80. Besides, you CANNOT argue with my list.
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Post by Jackie Moon on Dec 1, 2012 20:57:20 GMT
Ibaka is fine at 80. He is a defensive anchor and his offense, although improved, is still average at best. We cant use this season's stats to warrant players for an increase because it is still such a very small sample size.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 21:04:55 GMT
Ibaka is fine at 80. He is a defensive anchor and his offense, although improved, is still average at best. We cant use this season's stats to warrant players for an increase because it is still such a very small sample size. OKC played 20% of its season; just saying!
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Dec 1, 2012 21:07:46 GMT
Ibaka should have a better overall. He stats are good and he is one of the best athletes in the league. There are several reasons why he should have a good overall based on specific ratings.
FG: He has 55 now. His game evolved in such a way that he is one of the best shooting big man in the nba right now. He has a .602 fg %. He could easily have a 75 or more. 3PT: 5 now. He had 3 out of 11 3-points in 17 games. I would give him a 10. FT: 67 now. Again, he has become a much better shooter. He is shooting .881 ft%. Thats huge! I would give him a 80 for now because he was not such a good ft shooter in the past. Dribble: 30 now. What makes him such a bad dribbler? He hardly losses the ball. I think he could be better than that. Dunk: 90 now. Sounds alright based on what he can do. Inside: 72 now. He could have a 82 at least. Offensive Awareness: 71 now. I would give him a 76. Steal: 35 now. Sounds fine. Block: 95 now. It should be 99. Defensive Awareness: 80 now. I would give him a 87. He was close to winning the DPOY award last season. Off.Reb: 80 now. It sounds about right. Def.Reb: 75 now. It sounds about right. Speed: 68 now. I would give him a 70. Quickness: 68 now. I would give him a 70. Jump: 75 now. It sounds about right. Strength: 82 now. It sounds about right. Hardiness: 75 now. I would give him a 78. Fatigue: 60 now. I would give him a 75.
Maybe, you can disagree in some ratings but i do have a point that some others should go up. It is not fair to just talk about overall because that way athletic players are fucked. It is not their fault that can dunk, jump and run. Those ratings make overall go up.
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Post by Jackie Moon on Dec 1, 2012 21:26:06 GMT
Ibaka is fine at 80. He is a defensive anchor and his offense, although improved, is still average at best. We cant use this season's stats to warrant players for an increase because it is still such a very small sample size. OKC played 20% of its season; just saying! 20 % of the season is still a small sample size. If we are going off of that long of the season. Kobe should be the highest rated player in the league, Andy V should be the best big man, everyone on the Grizzlies should get an increase because they have the best record etc
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2012 21:57:17 GMT
OKC played 20% of its season; just saying! 20 % of the season is still a small sample size. If we are going off of that long of the season. Kobe should be the highest rated player in the league, Andy V should be the best big man, everyone on the Grizzlies should get an increase because they have the best record etc Not many are rated much higher than Mamba?
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Post by Otis Smith on Dec 2, 2012 2:18:39 GMT
I agree Ibaka deserves a rating increase and is looking really good so far. Still he is vastly overrated on defence, can't really create his own shots/opportunity, and his rebounds have taken a nose dive. Still his offensive/defensive rtgs are fantastic (120 and 100 respectively) and his awareness on both sides of the ball has improved tremendously. I feel like that 82-83 would be a fair and I think if he keeps up this pace (64% TS with a rising usage rate) could argue mid-80s for Ibaka. FYI a great article on Ibaka (also shows his weaknesses as well) www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8570097/serge-ibaka-improve-thunder-continue-contend-nba-championship
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Post by Magic Johnson on Dec 2, 2012 2:51:09 GMT
OKC played 20% of its season; just saying! 20 % of the season is still a small sample size. If we are going off of that long of the season. Kobe should be the highest rated player in the league, Andy V should be the best big man, everyone on the Grizzlies should get an increase because they have the best record etc AND HE STILL SHOULD, YEAH 93 FOR A GUY THAT IS 34 YEARS OLD LEADING LEAGUE IN SCORING AND SHOOTING 49 percent, and 40 from 3, along with 5 BOARDS AND 5 ASSISTS PER GAME.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Dec 2, 2012 3:44:17 GMT
I think an 83 would be good for him. I like him better than Gortat (Who is also being discussed about).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2012 3:49:51 GMT
I agree Ibaka deserves a rating increase and is looking really good so far. Still he is vastly overrated on defence, can't really create his own shots/opportunity, and his rebounds have taken a nose dive. Still his offensive/defensive rtgs are fantastic (120 and 100 respectively) and his awareness on both sides of the ball has improved tremendously. I feel like that 82-83 would be a fair and I think if he keeps up this pace (64% TS with a rising usage rate) could argue mid-80s for Ibaka. FYI a great article on Ibaka (also shows his weaknesses as well) www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8570097/serge-ibaka-improve-thunder-continue-contend-nba-championship I don't agree with the article because Tyson Chandler, Andrew Bogut, Kevin Garnett, and Dwight Howard would NEVER be assigned to guard Shane Battier. I like Ibaka's aggressiveness. Then again the article is right in the sense that Ibaka needs to become a better passer, but that will come after playing more.
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Post by Otis Smith on Dec 2, 2012 4:08:11 GMT
I agree Ibaka deserves a rating increase and is looking really good so far. Still he is vastly overrated on defence, can't really create his own shots/opportunity, and his rebounds have taken a nose dive. Still his offensive/defensive rtgs are fantastic (120 and 100 respectively) and his awareness on both sides of the ball has improved tremendously. I feel like that 82-83 would be a fair and I think if he keeps up this pace (64% TS with a rising usage rate) could argue mid-80s for Ibaka. FYI a great article on Ibaka (also shows his weaknesses as well) www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8570097/serge-ibaka-improve-thunder-continue-contend-nba-championship I don't agree with the article because Tyson Chandler, Andrew Bogut, Kevin Garnett, and Dwight Howard would NEVER be assigned to guard Shane Battier. I like Ibaka's aggressiveness. Then again the article is right in the sense that Ibaka needs to become a better passer, but that will come after playing more. It also shows how he still weak in PnR defence and rotating on shooters. Still it took years for Chandler to become the defensive anchor that he is but Ibaka is getting closer to that.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 2, 2012 5:07:52 GMT
I think Ibaka is on his way to an increased Rating, but I really would prefer to see him to it a little bit longer first.
I would not mind an 82 or so, but I think we have generally established that guys should have to prove things a little longer before a significant increase happens.
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Dec 2, 2012 17:49:12 GMT
81-82
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 7:06:30 GMT
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