PHI - MEM

[Allen Iverson]

Philadelphia trades:

80 Ryan Anderson -- $3,234,470
79 Mario Chalmers -- $4,000,000 | $4,000,000
77 Anthony Randolph -- $4,049,523
2013 2nd Round Pick (Raptors)
2014 2nd Round Pick (Mavericks)
2014 2nd Round Pick (Hornets)

Salary out: $11,283,993


Memphis trades:

75 Evan Turner -- $5,293,080 | $6,679,967 | $8,717,226
76 Tristan Thompson -- $3,894,240 | $4,062,000 | $5,138,430 | $6,777,589
75 Mike Dunleavy -- $3,750,000
2014 1st Round Pick

Salary out: $12,937,320


I accept. Anderson and Randolph has been OTB for a while now and I think with this deal, I got what I need, a starting SG in Turner. He's a key player for the Sixers right now and wow, it's really nice to welcome him again here on Philadelphia. ;D Also got a returning Tristan Thompson who right now is playing great for the Cavs. Two former players of my team returning here lol. I'm not a fan of drafting 2nd round picks so I'll just trade them for a 1st.

[Greg Schiano]

Nov 25, 2012 5:20:59 GMT Allen Iverson said:

Philadelphia trades:

80 Ryan Anderson -- $3,234,470
79 Mario Chalmers -- $4,000,000 | $4,000,000
77 Anthony Randolph -- $4,049,523
2013 2nd (Raptors)
2014 2nd (Mavericks)
2014 2nd (Hornets)

Salary out: $11,283,993


Memphis trades:

75 Evan Turner -- $5,293,080 | $6,679,967 | $8,717,226
76 Tristan Thompson -- $3,894,240 | $4,062,000 | $5,138,430 | $6,777,589
75 Mike Dunleavy -- $3,750,000
2014 1st

Salary out: $12,937,320


I accept. Anderson and Randolph has been OTB for a while now and I think with this deal, I got what I need, an SG in Turner. I think he'll be a key player for the Sixers IRL. It's really nice to welcome Turner again here on Philadelphia. ;D Also got a returning Tristan Thompson who right now is playing great for the Cavs. Two former players returning here lol. I'm not a fan of drafting 2nd round picks so I'll just trade them. lol.

Accepted, you need answers why? Anderson is disgusting. He's tearing it up in New Orleans and he will continue to do that all season. Stats man. He's a great player too. Chalmers, just a NBA Finals winning PG who's been there twice. Not to mention won a national championship in college. You need me to continue going on the guys I'm picking up? Nah. JR Smith and Chalmers will be great together. I still have the Cap room to go get more people under my system and if all works out as plan. You will be looking at the future NBA champions.

[Glenn Robinson]

Fair enough for me.

Accept

[Dominique Wilkins]

Accept

[Walt Frazier]

I have a fair amount of concern that Memphis is giving up long-term cheapish contracts in Turner and Thompson, plus a 2014 1st rounder, and the longest contract he gets back is 2 years on Chalmers. The other two players expire this season.

I'll have to think about this a little bit, but someone else may accept it at any moment.

I just don't like how much is being given up and how little is being returned as far as stability and security.

I understand Memphis does not like these players he is giving up, and does like the players he is getting, just need to think about it a little more.

[Greg Schiano]

Just to state, Free Agency is a big compound in sim leagues. That being said, isn't next year's FA class even better than this year's? I'm just letting it be known that either way I'm going to have the cap. I want to spend it how I want to spend it for that time period. I'm okay with having JR Smith be the only player locked up if it came down to it entering next offseason.

[Ian Noble]

I completely reject. I feel quite strongly about this trade.

Memphis really needs to rebuild and he'll do that best by hanging on to his youthful prospects (Evan Turner) who are still on their rookie contracts (Tristan Thompson) and definitely should keep his picks since his team is going to suck for at least the next two years unless some kind of miracle series of trades occurs. That miracle run would have to start with more than an expiring Ryan Anderson who'll jet somewhere else at the end of the season, Mario Chalmers and a handful of second rounders.

Mr Schiano, your best hope is to begin a process of solid rebuilding with sound trading and this trade starts you off in the opposite direction at a fantastic pace.

Reject.

[Greg Schiano]

I think you are mistaken who I am Ian.

I'm not a build through rebuilding kind of guy. I also have 30 million dollars in cap space even after this trade.

You can say I get raped, but Tristan and ET are lighting in up in the league? Anderson is clearly the best player in the deal. Chalmers, you know, just a championship PG. Hard to find them.

Add this to JR Smith and I think I'm heading in the RIGHT direction actually.

I'm not much for keeping on to picks and I value them horribly.

Esepecially considering it's 2 years away and I took over the team without a first next year anyway. So what does that even matter. You want to tell me how to run my team, do so, doesn't mean I have to listen. I'm a fan of this move 100%. It honestly makes me sleep comfortably with this feeling. Ryan Anderson/JR Smith and if I can somehow get Tim Duncan? Then yes, My team is back in the playoffs.

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I don't see how any CM approves this trade. A first a three legit nba players for Andersen,chalmers and 2nd round junk.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

As Memphis said, Ryan Anderson is clearly the best player in this deal. Dude is a straight BALLER. Big man who shoots threes and rebounds? Will probably be rated in the 90s soon.

I don't trust Evan Turner and I don't really care about the pick. The only thing making this possibly unfair is the inclusion of Tristan Thompson.

I really want to accept this, but I'm worried about the longevity of the Grizzlies here. Turner was taken 2nd overall in 2010 and Thompson was 4th overall in 2011. Anderson is great, but he is going to cost a ton to re-sign and he isn't really going to be of much benefit this season being an 80.


Like Minny, I'm gonna think about it a bit more before making an actual decision

[Glenn Robinson]

Nov 25, 2012 18:08:54 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

As Memphis said, Ryan Anderson is clearly the best player in this deal. Dude is a straight BALLER. Big man who shoots threes and rebounds? Will probably be rated in the 90s soon.

I don't trust Evan Turner and I don't really care about the pick. The only thing making this possibly unfair is the inclusion of Tristan Thompson.

I really want to accept this, but I'm worried about the longevity of the Grizzlies here. Turner was taken 2nd overall in 2010 and Thompson was 4th overall in 2011. Anderson is great, but he is going to cost a ton to re-sign and he isn't really going to be of much benefit this season being an 80.


Like Minny, I'm gonna think about it a bit more before making an actual decision

In grizzlies defense, Memphis will have a TON of cap space to re-sign Anderson as well as other players to make his team more attractive. That was the main point in why I accepted this deal and because I think Anderson is a cut above Thompson and Turner.

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Andersen will NEVER be a 90 and prob won't hit 85. Two top 5 picks for 3 players that won't ever be more than they are. Andersen is decent but never will be a 85+ player..Never!!

[Glenn Robinson]

I could see Anderson being an 85 if he continues to play well. I really don't see Turner or Thompson being anymore than average at best and Anderson at least has the ability to compliment players in Memphis better to what Greg is trying to build there.

[Dominique Wilkins]

I'm in the same boat as Milwaukee on this...Turner is mediocre at best and may never get any better than he is now or better then Chalmers. Thompson does offer some potential as he's still young and getting experience and PT. I was a bit concerned about the pick, but trust tb's knowledge.

Chalmers isn't as good as all the hype everyone's been throwing his way. 8ppg and 3.7apg for his 4 year career is below avg IMO. His assist totals should be at least doubled or even tripled playing in Miami. He is grossly overrated. Anderson is the best part of what Memphis is getting back, no doubt. Anderson is playing very well!

IMO it's not as bad as everyone is making it out to be...

[Greg Schiano]

I have the most cap space in the league.. How is this even in question?

[Greg Schiano]

And it's funny that San Antonio, of all people, is questioning this deal .

[Blake Bowman]

Nov 25, 2012 19:17:21 GMT Greg Schiano said:

I have the most cap space in the league.. How is this even in question?

Just because you have the cap space doesn't mean you're going to resign him. He could leave for other reasons than money.

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Nov 25, 2012 19:17:40 GMT Greg Schiano said:

And it's funny that San Antonio, of all people, is questioning this deal .

First of all I took San Antonio to the WCF. I made 8+ trades that were all accepted and I know a lot about Basketball. Think what you want, but I don't see this trade as fair. Would you trade two top 4 picks for that. Seriously??

[Greg Schiano]

Dude you ruined the Spurs.

Top 4 Picks? ET's been nothing, and Tristan isn't a guarantee.

[Greg Schiano]

And cap space guarantees me more to build with.

If you think Tristan Thompson is going to perform better than Ryan Anderson in his career at this point, then I don't know how you view that. Anderson is playing well, is relatively young. I don't have a first round pick next year, and that's no fault of my own. I took over one of the worst run organizations in the league. I'm trying to put my 'stamp' on the team. I'm not a fan of ET, and haven't got a LEGITIMATE offer for him. Chalmers is Chalmers in my book. Stats lie. He's a playoff player. He performs well in the playoffs. I want that. I have JR Smith and Anderson then to build around, trade one second for two players with bench potential and help me build more. I don't know what you guys think I'm trying to do here, and maybe you pay attention to the draft too much. Greg Oden, much?

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Nov 25, 2012 20:55:50 GMT Greg Schiano said:

Dude you ruined the Spurs.

Top 4 Picks? ET's been nothing, and Tristan isn't a guarantee.

Ruined. Lol. I see you leaving thus league before me and your sorry team will never compete like we will.

Tell me how I ruined the Spurs!!

[Greg Schiano]

San Antonio, the great dynasty.. Tell me who you've got?

Ben Gordon? LOL.

He worked out well for Detroit in real life!

Who else?

Ryan Anderson is better than any current player on your roster. I'm sorry, but it's true. Not to mention, JR Smith is going to show flashes all year. Chalmers? Quiet pg who runs the show amongst superstars.

I'm not done yet Spurs, not even close. Been in the league for a week basically. Have a tough field here. Had the 9th pick? Yeah that trade was questionable, no doubt. It was accepted as well though. This is my first big trade, and in a few months, we can look back and assess. It's a preference thing, and you all getting riled up about the 2014 first? GIVE IT A BREAK. I'd looooove to top protect it(top 5) but that's not an option.

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I'm not going to argue on which teams gonna b better. Let the CM decide this trade. I've proven myself and Andersen is average at best...

[Greg Schiano]

Anderson may be average. But he's better than Tristan and ET,

That much is true,

[Walt Frazier]

Cap space simply does not mean you will re-sign a player, or sign a player, period. Unless you have Bird Rights.

You don't, and Turner and Thompson are cheap enough that this trade just does not make enough sense. If you were trading long-term contracts on guys that were 27-28, look like legitimate busts, then yes, freeing up cap space and taking on an expiring player would make some sense. But, these guys are cheap. You are already going to have cap space either way. If you keep these guys, or similar players, at least you will have some cheap players locked up long-term to build around or use later. You just do not get back enough here (long-term). You get guaranteed cap next season...but not enough and you are giving up pieces that are generally valued as a positive, not a negative.

I have to reject as well.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

So I've been thinking about this trade a lot, and while I agree with Memphis that Ryan Anderson is way better than Thompson or Evans, it doesn't matter. This is a sim league, and players are only worth their perceived value. Unfortunately for Memphis, as we've seen in this thread, the perceived value of Thompson and Evans is much higher than the perceived value of Anderson. So much to the point that this trade isn't fair. Does that mean that they are better players than Anderson? No, of course not. It means that people blindly put too much stock into their draft position and their names and don't actually care about their skill and production.

Basically, Memphis is right, but since everyone else thinks he is wrong, it makes this trade unfair.

I guess I reject. If you guys rework it without the 1st rounder or something, I'd change my vote to an accept.

[Allen Iverson]

Oh man. I think with 2 accepts before I leave it's gonna be a done deal.

Well, the OSFA is not yet over. Memphis has the most money left of all the teams here and I think rebuilding is not in Memphis' mind right now. I have been getting young players (except Lewis) all year. That's my style. While Memphis wants to be a winning team this season. He wants to go to the playoffs. If he did that, then resigning will not be much of an issue because he's proven to make his team to the playoffs. And remember, 2014 free agents are much better than this year's.

Yes, ET and TT has been playing great this season. But it's just the start of the season! We'll never know what will happen. Maybe one of them will be injured. Maybe one of them will not be that player people expected to be.

I'll be fine reworking this deal but only with the picks. Sorry but I think many here are undervaluing Anderson while overvaluing ET and TT.

[Walt Frazier]

I value Anderson very highly, the problem is he may walk, and then this deal just favors you WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYY too much.

Even if he stays, it probably favors you by a bit, so that's a big problem since there is no guarantee he would stay.

[Allen Iverson]

Even if he walks, there are many better free agents next year!

Way to much? Maybe yes, maybe no. Depends on how ET and TT produce. So far, they are playing great. No one knows for sure.

If he stays, then it's good for Memphis, he still has JR and Anderson + A LOT OF CAP SPACE TO GET PLAYERS.

[Danny Longley]

Didn't realize it earlier, but my 2014 2nd involved here was sent back to me in the Barbosa deal