Amare Stoudemire
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 19, 2020 12:09:12 GMT
Sacramento Kings Trade:
(80) Marcus Smart $13,000,000/$13,975,000/$14,950,000/$15,925,000
(79) Josh Richardson $17,500,000/$17,500,000/$17,500,000/$17,500,000
2023 Memphis 1st
2024 Sacramento 1st
Total Salary $30,500,000
Orlando Magic Trade:
(87) Victor Oladipo $27,377,294/$29,287,338/$31,197,382/$33,107,426
Total Salary $27,377,294
Kings Accept
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Post by Steve Nash on Nov 19, 2020 12:16:51 GMT
Magic accept. This gives us some depth and insurance in case Fournier walks. We also like the value of the future 1sts.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 19, 2020 12:29:50 GMT
Kings Accept
I'm big on Dipo and he was starting to look really good in the Bubble something I'm sure he'll carry over to this season and be great this coming up season!
He also comes with Birds which is always a huge plus when you trade for a all-star!
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 19, 2020 12:33:19 GMT
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Post by Danny Longley on Nov 19, 2020 13:34:28 GMT
Risky for the Kings, but I guess it makes sense.
Accept.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Nov 19, 2020 14:14:24 GMT
Accept
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Post by Alex English on Nov 19, 2020 14:46:47 GMT
Ok this might be tedious, but in this case the technicalities might matter in the future.
The Kings can't trade that 2024 1st until salaries advance to next season, and there's no reason this trade can't be done that way, however that puts Oladipo's bird rights at risk. If he were to opt out of that final year the Kings would need cap space to sign him.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 19, 2020 14:51:14 GMT
Why wouldn't the salaries not work We haven't flipped over and the pick can be traded BC we started the draft last night so the pick in 2024 can be traded Ian Noble |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 19, 2020 15:51:47 GMT
Why wouldn't the salaries not work We haven't flipped over and the pick can be traded BC we started the draft last night so the pick in 2024 can be traded Ian Noble I think he means the trade would already be under the 20/21 salary, obviously they still match, but your BR on Oladipo would be dependant on him accepting the player option |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 19, 2020 15:55:35 GMT
Why wouldn't the salaries not work We haven't flipped over and the pick can be traded BC we started the draft last night so the pick in 2024 can be traded Ian Noble I think he means the trade would already be under the 20/21 salary, obviously they still match, but your BR on Oladipo would be dependant on him accepting the player option Yes but this is a weird year with weird dates and technically the rosters don't turn over till after the weekend of the 28th so 19-20 salaries would still work up until then And since we started the draft you can trade 2024 picks now so Im gonna leave this decision up to Ian to give the final ruling |
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 19, 2020 19:27:44 GMT
Alex is right to bring up that Draft Rights have not progressed yet, but I've already been a little loose with this rule in the other trade, maybe I should not have been, but the deal can stand as it is.
I accept.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Nov 20, 2020 0:25:51 GMT
I'll accept.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Nov 20, 2020 7:18:16 GMT
Alex is right to bring up that Draft Rights have not progressed yet, but I've already been a little loose with this rule in the other trade, maybe I should not have been, but the deal can stand as it is. I accept. So this means i have bird rights on Harden because the salaries didnt flipped yet. thanks for the clarification |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2020 20:58:15 GMT
Ok, I'm going to try to help Ian out here. Kings can only trade using 2021 salaries, Shaq is right about that, they are over the hard cap, which means all trades must receive less money than they are sending out until they are under the hard cap. The hard cap for next season is: 163,710,000$ let's do the math. Before any trade is done, Kings are 17,447,978 $ over the hard cap. In this trade they send 31,475,000$ and receive 29,287,338$ shedding 2,187,662$ in salary. Trade is legal, and the Kings are now 15,260,316$ over the hard cap. 2nd trade aka the CP3 trade: Kings send 40,450,000$ and receive 24,780,579$, shedding 15,669,421$. The Kings are now 409,105$ under the hard cap. 3rd Trade aka the Eric Bledsoe trade: Kings send 27,885,166$ and receive 31,558,069$, adding 3,672,903$ to their cap. This trade it's not legal, as it would take the Kings over the hard cap by 3,263,798$ Thanks for coming to my TED Talk, hope it helps Ian Noble Edit: Just as reminder that last year we allowed this type of trades pre-draft but all of them were with the next season's salary, which wasn't being done with the Kings |
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Nov 20, 2020 21:06:35 GMT
Ok, I'm going to try to help Ian out here. Kings can only trade using 2021 salaries, Shaq is right about that, they are over the hard cap, which means all trades must receive less money than they are sending out until they are under the hard cap. The hard cap for next season is: 163,710,000$ let's do the math. Before any trade is done, Kings are 17,447,978 $ over the hard cap. In this trade they send 31,475,000$ and receive 29,287,338$ shedding 2,187,662$ in salary. Trade is legal, and the Kings are now 15,260,316$ over the hard cap. 2nd trade aka the CP3 trade: Kings send 40,450,000$ and receive 24,780,579$, shedding 15,669,421$. The Kings are now 409,105$ under the hard cap. 3rd Trade aka the Eric Bledsoe trade: Kings send 27,885,166$ and receive 31,558,069$. This trade it's not legal, as it would take the Kings over the hard cap. Thanks for coming to my TED Talk, hope it helps Ian Noble Edit: Just as reminder that last year we allowed this type of trades pre-draft but all of them were with the next season's salary, which wasn't being done with the Kings it works for the Kings but the other teams will lose their bird rights on their players which is actually huge. No bird rights for: Adams Redick Bell CP3 Oladipo (if he opts out) |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2020 21:08:07 GMT
Doesn't work for the kings either because the last trade is illegal Shaquille O'Neal |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 20, 2020 21:39:28 GMT
Doesn't work for the kings either because the last trade is illegal Shaquille O'NealStop this non sense Ian has ruled and every trade gets me further under the cap If that's the case you don't get harden bc I violates the stephen rule The trades all make sense and use the last year's salary , Ian ruled already |
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Post by Jerry West on Nov 20, 2020 21:45:42 GMT
Doesn't work for the kings either because the last trade is illegal Shaquille O'Neal Stop this non sense Ian has ruled and every trade gets me further under the cap If that's the case you don't get harden bc I violates the stephen rule The trades all make sense and use the last year's salary , Ian ruled already Amare don't be mad at me because you didn't do the math. If Ian wants to pass the trade it's his decision, he is the comissioner, I'm just giving him the information that you didn't, that the last trade would put you back over the hard cap |
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Nov 20, 2020 21:46:00 GMT
See on both trades where Ian says maybe he should / or shouldn't but he has already ruled that the trades will stand as is, or did people not read this in both trade threads. Knowing this it makes the three team trade than legal as well
But if not at the very least the 1st 2 trades do. Already ruled on
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 21, 2020 17:13:02 GMT
Trade passed and queued.
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