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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 26, 2020 23:55:50 GMT
I will be voting for Green Party candidate Howie Hawkins. Tell me why I'm wrong.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jun 27, 2020 1:20:50 GMT
Honestly, any other election I'm with you. But this one is really important and personal to me.
If you are against Trump at all, please do not NOT vote Biden. I am not a Biden fan. But right now, this election, we have to get Trump out of office. If you are left leaning or anti-Trump at all, we can't afford any non-Biden votes that might end up leaving him in.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 27, 2020 1:26:07 GMT
Honestly, any other election I'm with you. But this one is really important and personal to me. If you are against Trump at all, please do not NOT vote Biden. I am not a Biden fan. But right now, this election, we have to get Trump out of office. If you are left leaning or anti-Trump at all, we can't afford any non-Biden votes that might end up leaving him in. Same storyline every election. It’s time to stop getting in line for the Democrats when they put out these crap candidates. Let them lose to Trump again and make the party go through some serious thought and change. Voting Biden in protects the Democratic establishment yet again and guarantees at least 16 more years of this same BS.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jun 27, 2020 1:28:29 GMT
I can't do another 4 years of Trump. Right now isn't the time to teach a lesson when the outcome could be another 4 years of a Trump presidency. Look where we are after the first 4. I'll be 35 by the time Trump leaves office. Let's teach the Dems a lesson in 2024 and vote Biden out to a 3rd party but this election is too important to lose.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 27, 2020 1:36:10 GMT
Just depends on what you believe in I guess. You could either be 35 and have a chance at electing a progressive candidate, or you could be 47 (or likely older) and have a chance at electing a progressive candidate. If we validate Joe Biden, we are validating the platform of the Democrats, who would be a right wing party in any other first world political spectrum. You could maybe even argue it’s immoral to vote for Biden under that logic.
Trump is a fascist, no doubt, but at least he’s an incompetent one. If we keep pushing the same system then next time it’s not going to be someone who stares directly into the sun without eye protection. I’d rather have 4 more years of this buffoon and force the Democrats to listen to their progressive base than to be stuck with these same elitist ruling class options until we are in our 50s.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jun 27, 2020 1:44:19 GMT
I'm legitimately worried about another 4 years of Trump. The SCOTUS appointments, the policies and laws, the division, the continued racist rhetoric. My future wife is Mexican. I'm sick and tired of his racist dog whistling, hombre comments, and anti-immigration stance.
I'll put up with 4 years of Biden and get to progressive politics through Senators and Representatives, and revisit the Presidency in 4 years.
We're already seeing a progressive shift in Congress through this summer. That's where I'll focus on it.
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Post by Billy King on Jun 27, 2020 2:46:06 GMT
I can't do another 4 years of Trump. Right now isn't the time to teach a lesson when the outcome could be another 4 years of a Trump presidency. Look where we are after the first 4. I'll be 35 by the time Trump leaves office. Let's teach the Dems a lesson in 2024 and vote Biden out to a 3rd party but this election is too important to lose.
4 years of Biden gets you 8 years of Trump Jr
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Post by George Gervin on Jun 27, 2020 2:48:23 GMT
Ultimately doesn’t matter who wins— it’s always a Douche vs Turd Sandwich, and we’re just getting bent over a barrel taking it from politicians like Nancy “$24,000 fridge” Pelosi and Mitch “No Policies, just Money Baby” McConnell. Neither side has been for the people, and neither side is for the people anymore; they’re only in it for the money and maintaining elitist status. 40+ MM Americans with no job right now, struggling to get by and no Jobs Bill? No problem for Congress though, the CARES Act can have lobbyists bailed out in it under 503 status loopholes, and they can take money from PPP like the cunts they are.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jun 27, 2020 2:52:17 GMT
I can't do another 4 years of Trump. Right now isn't the time to teach a lesson when the outcome could be another 4 years of a Trump presidency. Look where we are after the first 4. I'll be 35 by the time Trump leaves office. Let's teach the Dems a lesson in 2024 and vote Biden out to a 3rd party but this election is too important to lose.
4 years of Biden gets you 8 years of Trump Jr
I just can't agree. I'm no Biden fanboy. I'm really not. But I can't go another 4 years of Trump and his divisive comments and policies. He needs to lose and become a washed-up has-been loser that we all know him to be. To win another election would just further his ego and supporters. They need to lose. And I know it's not the right way to play politics, just to make the "other side" lose, but that's how. I am viewing this election this year. Trump needs to lose.
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Post by Larry Bird on Jun 27, 2020 3:20:15 GMT
I was reading your post, and you mentioned washed-up has-been loser, I thought you were talking about Obummer.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jun 27, 2020 4:27:55 GMT
You might disagree with Obama's politics but to call him a has been loser? Come on. Dude's been nothing but class and what you would like to see from an ex-President.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 27, 2020 4:56:28 GMT
America is fucked.
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Post by Larry Bird on Jun 27, 2020 5:59:43 GMT
With Biden we are, and those lifetime politicians Pelosi and Schumer. If the president is going to have term limits, so should Congress.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jun 27, 2020 9:04:10 GMT
America is so much more fucked with Trump and I've run out of patience for his supporters. If you can side with a President who talks about:
- hombres breaking into homes and other blatant racist dog whistling - Encouraging slowing down of testing with no regard to public safety or medical expertise - boasts about record low numbers of immigrants entering the country
Then I have straight up lost respect for you. I'm going after my own family members right now as well.
The US has absolutely, completely botched the COVID-19 response. We have a President who does not understand science or medicine and made this whole thing into some weird political issue. The videos coming out of Trump supporters proudly not wearing masks and not listening to science is sickening.
I'm stuck in the middle of the immigration process with my fiancee. Trump doesn't want her here. He is more concerned with inciting fear against immigrants and people of color and making this virus SO much worse. It's fucking the end of June and we never even cleared the first phase. This whole thing is a god damned shit show.
Honestly, FUCK Trump. Fuck him so hard. I have never hated someone more in my fucking life. And honestly, if you side with him, then fuck you too and I'm not even sorry about it.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 28, 2020 16:06:15 GMT
Have we all seen / heard the latest about the Russians putting bounties on US soldiers, Trump knew about it since March, and has done nothing to reprimand Russia? He's, instead, had a "nice conversation" with Putin just a couple of weeks ago.
I hate getting political and dividing us, but this guy and anyone who is enabling him in any way, has to go.
And on the Biden front, he was among my last choices in the primary but I literally don't think America can survive another 4 years of Trump.
What really gets me is that RICGHT NOW, he's causing countless deaths due to Covid. And he is doing NOTHING about it. It's not magic or sorcery. If he would wear a mask the whole country would probably be basically open with minimal cases and very few deaths. Instead, he turned it into a political thing. All he knows is to divide the country and look out for himself.
Biden isn't a savior but he can stop the bleeding and start the path of fixing the worst things.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 28, 2020 16:43:26 GMT
Well you have to feel for the guy though. He's been laundering money for Russian oligarchs for how long? That's got to be a big part his personal wealth at this point. He's really stuck between a rock and a hard place with having to choose between the American people and his money laundering partners. That's a tough choice for anybody, so can you really blame him if he turns his back on the American people and the military?
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