Magic Johnson
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Post by Magic Johnson on Nov 24, 2012 3:19:06 GMT
He's not on my team or even my player, but that doesn't mean I can't give any recommendations.
Parsons - 77
suggested rating: 80-81
PPG: 14.3 RPG: 7.2 3PT: .397
PER: 13.61 USAGE: 16.4
Consider his rating and then consider players such as
Gordon Hayward 80 Andre Iguodala 88 Rudy Gay 83 (EXCEPT PPG) Danilo Gallinari 79 Kawhi Leonard 78 Wilson Chandler 77 Luol Deng 84 MWP 83
and he is putting comparable statistics to most of them except for Rudy Gay and Luol Deng.
he also has better numbers overall then
Gerald Wallace 85 Shawn Marion 83 Caron Butler 81 Stephen Jackson 79
He is posting these numbers with LOWER USAGE rate than Gallo, MWP, Stephen Jackson, Evan Turner, Paul George, and Affalo.
He also has better PER than MWP, Turner, Harrison Barnes, S. jackson, T. Prince, Wallace, Marion, Casspi, and Butler.
So just something to consider when thinking about his rating increase.
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Post by Danny Longley on Nov 24, 2012 10:54:01 GMT
Thanks for starting stockwatch on Parsons, I was considering putting him up, but I was waiting for his FG% to stablilize, haha.
Anyway, he's rated about 66 each on FG and 3PT, while putting up 45% and 36% respectively for his career while shooting 47% and 41% for this season (Also worth noting his improved FT%, 74% for the season up from 55% from the previosu year). I'm having trouble giving a good comparison, but I think he should at least be in the 70s here as opposed to the 66es that he has.
Also, he's averaging 7 boards a game, about as many boards in as many minutes as bigs like Marc Gasol and Lamarcus Aldridge yet he's only rated 55/54 in ORB and DRB. Granted, his offensive rebounding is somewhat deficient, but his defensive rebounding could use a jump. Both Gasol and Aldridge's DREB are in the 70s.
As far as steals, he's managing 1 a game, not exactly wowing, but he probably shouldn't be rated 54 there.
I normally wouldn't be against his 77 rating, but compared to the others in his range, I think he deserves the jump to the low 80s.
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Dec 2, 2012 17:52:57 GMT
77-79
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 3, 2012 0:16:24 GMT
I don't think he's done enough to go very far above 77, yet, so I'd just keep him right there and wait a bit longer.
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Post by Danny Longley on Dec 3, 2012 4:18:55 GMT
I don't think he's done enough to go very far above 77, yet, so I'd just keep him right there and wait a bit longer. I wouldn't have questioned this earlier, but with Asik now seemingly ready to get a 6 point boost, I'm not so sure. Asik's numbers are up with minutes. So are Parsons'. And it's not just pure points, his shooting across the board is up. His rebounding is going along with last year's pace yet it's sitting at 55. Frankly, I don't see why he shouldn't get to 80 if Asik is getting that big a jump not even 20 games in.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 3, 2012 4:28:23 GMT
Well, #1 - Asik was only a 72, and Parsons is already a 77.
#2 - Asik showed the ability to put up #'s when he did get minutes every now and then, so when he got this big minute increase, yes, he warranted the increase IMO.
#3 - Parsons isn't necessarily producing more because of more minutes. He's up less than 4 minutes compared to last year. That can account for some of the rebound/assist increase, but not for the FG%/3pt%/FT%...
So basically, increase his rebounding and passing for now if it's really necessary to you guys. I need to see him keep up those %'s for longer before I'd be comfortable with a really significant increase.
Ian has already said he doesn't really want to do a lot of 2 point increases, and that's about the most I'd be comfortable with right now...and not even positive of that.
So, 78-79 from me right now.
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Post by Danny Longley on Dec 3, 2012 4:47:02 GMT
Well, even if you can't look at Parsons' current 48/45/77 seriously, I think he still deserves more than 66 FG and 66 3PT. I think he should at least get low 70s there.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Dec 3, 2012 5:09:39 GMT
Most likely, but he was pretty average in both areas over 63 games last season. 45% and 33.7% are not bad, but also not all that good, really just average.
So, while his 15 games are super promising this season, I'd just prefer to see a little bit more. If we want to raise those two areas up slightly, sure, but we could wait another month or two and really boost them up to where it looks like he deserves based on a larger sample size.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2012 7:09:35 GMT
80
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Post by Danny Longley on Jan 16, 2013 4:48:43 GMT
Bump.
So, Parsons' numbers have stabilized, but they're still at solid levels.
14.4 PPG / 45.6 FG% / 34.6 3PT% / 75% FT Ratings FG: 66 3PT: 66 FT: 54
Call them average, but his current ratings at FG and 3PT are both 66, which are definitely below average. With all these 80s being handed around, I don't see why his scoring ratings shouldn't jump to at least the mid-high 70s.
Also, he was absolutely shit at FT last year, but he's shooting a decent 75% this year. He's rated 54 there, and should get mid-high 60s if not in the 70s.
6.2 RPG / 5.0 DRPG / 1.2 ORPG Ratings DREB: 54 OREB: 55
Again, by no means amazing, but definitely better than where the rating stands. I still think that his DREB should at least, hit 70 and his OREB somewhere around 60.
3.5 APG/ 2.1 TOPG Rating PASS: 40
Well, this may be just pushing it, but 40 is unbelievably low considering the context. Maybe mid 50s, possibly just really, 60.
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Post by Alex English on Jan 16, 2013 4:55:04 GMT
I'd say bump his FG to 80, 3PT to 70, FT to 75 and DREB to 70 then whatever that bumps his rating to leave it at that. At a 77 he isn't really being undervalued that much.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 16, 2013 6:06:56 GMT
I agree his overall 77 rating feels about right to me, but I also agree that some of those category ratings are a bit off...is he overrated somewhere else (not sure where, just asking) that we can kind of balance it out a bit?
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Post by Danny Longley on Jan 16, 2013 6:19:43 GMT
FG - 66 3PT - 66 FT - 54 RANGE - 25 PASS - 40 DRIBL - 62 DUNK - 80 INSIDE - 66 (Offensive)AWARE - 65 STL - 54 BLK - 32 (Defensive)AWARE - 58 OREB - 55 DREB - 54 SPEED - 75 QUICK - 72 JUMP - 70 STR - 70 HARDY - 80 FATIG - 80 Frankly, I'm surprised he's even a 77 with these ratings.
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Post by Rubén Magnano on Jan 17, 2013 14:53:35 GMT
80-81 is fine with me.
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 14, 2013 13:18:37 GMT
Averages as of this moment:
15.3 PPG/5.3 RPG/3.6 APG 1.1 SPG/ 0.4 BPG 48.5% FG/ 39.3% 3PT/ 70.9 FT%
Granted, his averages have benefited from a particularly hot March showing, but he had been shooting 48-49% for two months before that, and well, is just as efficient as say, the recently boosted Nicolas Batum on offense if not more so.
He's a better 3-Point shooter than given credit for, and has really been making good on the looks that his flashier teammates have been giving him.
He's putting up just about what Batum has been putting up minus blocks and with slightly better efficiency, and I really don't see why he shouldn't be on 80-81 if Batum deserves to be an 83 while putting up similar numbers.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Mar 14, 2013 18:32:31 GMT
Thought he was good at where he is rated before when this was brought up, but if Batum got a boost for what he's doing than I don't see why Parsons shouldn't.
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Post by Danny Longley on Apr 21, 2013 14:47:47 GMT
Regular Season Stats:
15.5 PPG / 48.6 FG% / 38.5 3P% / 72.9 FT% 3.5 APG / 1.9 TOPG 5.3 RPG / 1.0 SPG / 0.4 BPG
Blah blah underrated shooting blah blah improved FT blah blah solid overall player.
Starting to sound like a broken record, but I really don't see how people are barely even looking at Parsons while giving Batum an 83.
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Post by Alex English on Apr 21, 2013 15:34:03 GMT
I'll give him an 80-81, Batum is a more complete player.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 22, 2013 12:23:11 GMT
Batum's shooting #'s this year are going to be an abberation for his career, guy dealt with multiple injuries including a wrist injury for most of the season, but still played the majority of his team's games. He still had more points, rebounds, assists, steals, and blocks than Parsons as well. And established himself as a damn good FT shooter as well.
The reason people are kinda hesitant on Parsons is because, if he deserves a boost, it has looked like he deserves maybe 2 points at most for most of the season.
I'm still saying he's around a 79, maybe 80 for me. That's a very good player.
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Post by Danny Longley on Apr 23, 2013 3:40:55 GMT
I won't argue that the percentages are an abberation, but I really don't think that Batum is going to be shooting much better than his career 45%.
Meanwhile, Parsons is shooting 48.6%, only down by .3 in RPG, and has a similar Ast/TO ratio. Oh, and he's doing it in two minutes a game less if you want to get nitpicking. I'll accept that Batum produces more blocks, but as a defender is he that much better than Parsons? Granted, his iso-defense has regressed a bit, but overall, I don't think so.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 24, 2013 19:53:56 GMT
Here's what I see between the two:
Batum - 42.3% - 37.2% - 84.8% - 14.3/5.6/4.9/1.2/1.1 with 2.6 TO. Gets to the line 2.9 times a game.
Parsons - 48.6% - 38.5% - 72.9% - 15.5/5.3/3.5/1.0/0.4 with 1.9 TO. Gets to the line 2 times a game.
As you stated, Batum's FG/3PT% are low b/c of a wrist injury he suffered from practically the entire season. I will give Parsons the edge in overall FG%, and basically call 3pt% a wash when looking at career #'s to this point. Batum is leaps and bounds better FT% and more effective at getting there.
Points are not that relevant when looking at comparing guys in this case. Parsons shot one more field goal per game, so one more point is about right considering their percentages.
Probably about even rebounders, with Parsons getting a little less mpg. Batum at basically 5 apg and Parsons at 3.5...IMO there is a certain level you get to where it's clear someone is a talented distributor and sees the floor well and knows the offense well enough to run it. 5 apg is impressive. There are starting PG's who get about 5 apg. 3.5 apg from Parsons is legitimately good, but it's far enough away to show there is a big gap between these two players' ability to distribute and run an offense. Yes, Batum also turned the ball over more than Parsons, but I'd argue again that he's helping run the offense, while Parsons is mostly passing to an open Harden type of thing.
Steals are about even, then in Blocks Batum separates himself quite a bit again.
These are similar players, no doubt. I think the FT%/AST/BLK beats out the TO's/temporary FG% from Parsons.
79-80 from Parsons for me still.
Hope other people at least voice opinions on Parsons.
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Post by Clyde Drexler on Apr 24, 2013 20:59:29 GMT
Personally when comparing Batum and Parsons I think they should be the same rating. Looking at the ratings of Batum, Parsons and George I see it as it should be Batum and Parsons being rated the same at either 80 or 83 and George being higher at 83 or 85. Mainly cause the stats that Walt is highlighting are assists and blocks, and for me that's not a huge thing that should be looked at for that position because it depends on the style of play from their team and how they use that player. Again just my opinions, and it's just my views on the players.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 25, 2013 2:30:46 GMT
To each their own Clyde. My counter-point would be that certain players are ABLE to play a certain way and others are not, which has to do with their ability/rating.
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Post by Danny Longley on May 16, 2013 16:25:41 GMT
So as far as discussion has gone:
LAL: 80.5 ATL: 78 DAL: 81 Ruben: 80.5 DEN: 80.5 MIN: 79.5 POR: 83? (Assuming since you said whatever Batum got)
So, cutting ATL's 78 and POR's 83 that would make it:
(80.5 + 81 + 80.5 + 80.5 + 79.5)/ 5 = 80.4 -> 80 or 80.25 if you take out my 81, still ends up 80.
More opinions would be appreciated though.
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Post by Chris Mullin on May 16, 2013 18:25:47 GMT
Id say 79 for Parsons
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Post by Clyde Drexler on May 16, 2013 22:44:13 GMT
Well I look at Batum and Chandler the same but think they should both be 80-81.
So 80-81 for me
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 12, 2013 1:01:51 GMT
Bump
80-81
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 12, 2013 12:44:18 GMT
Looking over some of the season stats, I don't see why Parson's hasn't gotten a boost yet. I agree with Walt that Batum should be rated slightly above parsons because of his ability to block shots and play good defense, but I think Parsons overall offensive game is better right now. Some season ending stats for ya.
Chandler Parsons: 18.2 ppg - 6.5 rpg - 3.7 apg - 0.2 spg - 0.3 bpg - 0.452 FG% - 0.643 FT% - 0.400 3PT% - 39.7 MPG
Nicholas Batum: 14.3 ppg - 5.6 rpg - 4.9apg - 1.2 spg - 1.1 bpg - 0.423 FG% - 0.848 FT% - 0.372 3PT% - 38.5 MPG
So looking over there numbers, Parsons offensive production this season has been better than Batums. While I agree Batum should be slightly higher because of his excellent free throw percentage and ability to do things on the defensive side, I think Parsons should be rated somewhere close to that. Maybe 81 or 82 would be good for him. Not sure why he hasn't gotten a boost already when Batum was getting one.
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Post by Danny Longley on Jun 12, 2013 14:15:29 GMT
I've pretty much said all I have to say about Parsons. Still think he should be 80-81, and that Batum should be scaled back a bit.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 12, 2013 23:57:43 GMT
I respect other people's opinions of course but we should not be taking Batum back down. He only got a boost a couple months ago. And was injured literally the entire season with a wrist issue, one of the worst things that a Basketball player can have (while still being "able" to play).
Parsons has proven consistent to me. While I personally think that Batum's offensive #'s would look as good or better if he wasn't injured all season, I guess others just don't think a bum wrist plays a factor :-p
Anyway, enough about Batum.
As I said, Parsons has proven consistent. I like his talent, he's a nice player. I think I'm down as a "79-80" vote. I'm going to change that to a straight 81.
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