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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 8, 2020 3:02:41 GMT
I uploaded a D5 Roster on NBA 2k20 on PS4, minus the pending Kings-Spurs trade (08/03/20). Not really any reason aside from wanting to destroy everyone with Morant. But if you want to play your D5 lineup on 2k20, you can look up the roster by either my username or the roster name below. Roster Name: D5 19-20 Username: misterliyumR3 Roster base is the most recent 2K Injury-Free roster, so ratings may be one patch behind. Salaries aren't D5 accurate, and because many teams are under 14 players so I wouldn't suggest taking this roster into any of the GM modes. Players Missing: Clippers - Wrong Justin Jackson Hornets - No Chris McCullough Magic - No Walter Tavares Johnny O'Bryant Markel Brown Pelicans - No Chuma Okeke Pistons - No Thomas Robinson Rockets - No Jared Sullinger Spurs - No Timofey Mozgov Drive Link below includes screenshots of every team's top 5 players. drive.google.com/drive/folders/1Uf-JzIokakSdcfHQcgLWZZ9UAhqbOsUU
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 8, 2020 3:16:06 GMT
This is dope! You should sim a season and compare. I'd be curious anyway
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 8, 2020 3:42:20 GMT
Ayton is an 84. Gonna have to put that stock watch in
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 8, 2020 3:50:22 GMT
Ayton is an 84. Gonna have to put that stock watch in I did several weeks back
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 8, 2020 4:03:05 GMT
Ayton is an 84. Gonna have to put that stock watch in I did several weeks back I think he got bumped to an 81 in that thread.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 8, 2020 7:26:42 GMT
Sim and draft me Ball!
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 8, 2020 11:44:34 GMT
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 8, 2020 11:46:00 GMT
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 8, 2020 11:48:59 GMT
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 8, 2020 11:49:52 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 8, 2020 11:53:58 GMT
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 8, 2020 11:54:10 GMT
Simmed a season. Probably should have turned in-game injuries off in retrospect - biggest losses were Westbrook and Middleton for the Hornets to season ending injuries, likely played a major part in losing to the 8th Seed Magic.
13 Teams were under the 14-Man Roster Limit, so the game automatically signed players for them. Aside from that, there were no trades or signings.
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 8, 2020 15:59:07 GMT
Looking through free agency, we've got quite a few players missing - not sure if they really don't exist in D5 or just aren't listed for whatever reason. Some of the notables (>=70 OVR)
Allonzo Trier (NYK) Justin Jackson (DAL) Langston Galloway (DET) Pat Connaughton (MIL) Brad Wanamaker (BOS) Svi Mykhailiuk (DET) Raul Neto (PHI) Isaiah Hartenstein (HOU) Shaquille Harrison (CHI) Abdel Nader (OKC) Alfonzo McKinnie (CLE) Naz Reid (MIN)
There are probably more, but I can't bring myself to look at 2K's terrible roster creator any longer. They aren't all probably worth creating, but there are some decent pieces in the bunch.
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Post by Billy King on Mar 8, 2020 16:48:35 GMT
Looking through free agency, we've got quite a few players missing - not sure if they really don't exist in D5 or just aren't listed for whatever reason. Some of the notables (>=70 OVR) Allonzo Trier (NYK) Justin Jackson (DAL) Langston Galloway (DET) Pat Connaughton (MIL) Brad Wanamaker (BOS) Svi Mykhailiuk (DET) Raul Neto (PHI) Isaiah Hartenstein (HOU) Shaquille Harrison (CHI) Abdel Nader (OKC) Alfonzo McKinnie (CLE) Naz Reid (MIN) There are probably more, but I can't bring myself to look at 2K's terrible roster creator any longer. They aren't all probably worth creating, but there are some decent pieces in the bunch. I would sign multiple of these guys.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 8, 2020 16:57:57 GMT
This is honestly what I expected, I swear, which is why I wanted a sim from another engine. I think my team is the best in the league right now but our sim isn't showing it. I fully expected to be in the championship for a 2k sim.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 8, 2020 17:24:14 GMT
This is the thing about 2k, while it's certainly not perfect, you can look at it and things make sense.
- Miami is the worst team in the league - A team with Giannis, Kemba Walker, CJ McCollum, and Steven Adams makes a deep playoff push - A team with Damian Lillard and Kawhi Leonard makes a deep playoff push - The Orlando Magic with their starting 5 finish above .500
And of course you have some head scratchers like Orlando taking down Charlotte in the first round. But overall, things tend to make more sense, I think. But they also didn't have Westbrook or Middleton, went down for in-sim injury.
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 8, 2020 17:30:05 GMT
This is the thing about 2k, while it's certainly not perfect, you can look at it and things make sense. - Miami is the worst team in the league - A team with Giannis, Kemba Walker, CJ McCollum, and Steven Adams makes a deep playoff push - A team with Damian Lillard and Kawhi Leonard makes a deep playoff push - The Orlando Magic with their starting 5 finish above .500 And of course you have some head scratchers like Orlando taking down Charlotte in the first round. But overall, things tend to make more sense, I think. 1 - Miami isnt the worst team. 2 - Giannis breaks 2K 3 - Bulls had Cousins
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 8, 2020 17:42:40 GMT
This is the thing about 2k, while it's certainly not perfect, you can look at it and things make sense. - Miami is the worst team in the league - A team with Giannis, Kemba Walker, CJ McCollum, and Steven Adams makes a deep playoff push - A team with Damian Lillard and Kawhi Leonard makes a deep playoff push - The Orlando Magic with their starting 5 finish above .500 And of course you have some head scratchers like Orlando taking down Charlotte in the first round. But overall, things tend to make more sense, I think. 1 - Miami isnt the worst team. 2 - Giannis breaks 2K 3 - Bulls had Cousins 1) In the stacked East when all they have is Jrue Holiday? Even if they aren't the *actual* worse team in the league, they're in the absolute bottom tier, and my point is that at least it's reflected in the sim as an expected result instead of having them win random games against quality opponents like we do here 2) Breaks 2k how? Oh you must mean how in 2k sometimes when you sim with him you might have a chance to win over 70 games while having one of the most efficient seasons in the history of the NBA and the rest of your starting 5 is Eric Bledsoe, Wesley Matthews, Khris Middleton, and Brook Lopez. I agree, that kind of starting 5 with Giannis would never be the best team in the league so I can see how he breaks 2k. 3) Did they? Even still, Leonard and Lillard are an absolute killer playoff combo and I'd expect them to go far. I'm not saying Finals far every time, but for sure they'd make a deep push.
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 8, 2020 17:57:12 GMT
1 - Miami isnt the worst team. 2 - Giannis breaks 2K 3 - Bulls had Cousins 1) In the stacked East when all they have is Jrue Holiday? Even if they aren't the *actual* worse team in the league, they're in the absolute bottom tier, and my point is that at least it's reflected in the sim as an expected result instead of having them win random games against quality opponents like we do here 2) Breaks 2k how? Oh you must mean how in 2k sometimes when you sim with him you might have a chance to win over 70 games while having one of the most efficient seasons in the history of the NBA and the rest of your starting 5 is Eric Bledsoe, Wesley Matthews, Khris Middleton, and Brook Lopez. I agree, that kind of starting 5 with Giannis would never be the best team in the league so I can see how he breaks 2k. 3) Did they? Even still, Leonard and Lillard are an absolute killer playoff combo and I'd expect them to go far. I'm not saying Finals far every time, but for sure they'd make a deep push. Not sure how realistic is that the Pistons with 4 centers as their best players are better (20 games better at thats, Just shows how much 2K likes size), also Kawhi/Lilliard without help isnt better then the Celtics or Hornets. Lastly, everyone knows how 2K works, it's just crazy wingspan 7 foot SG/SF, where Giannis fits right in, he seems like it was created for the game
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 8, 2020 18:30:01 GMT
I sim nba 2k a lot and I think it’s actually pretty realistic. Only once in awhile a team that looks really good under performs. Only problem with using it over the current sim is the ratings and the way we post sims and stuff
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 8, 2020 19:02:05 GMT
Lastly, everyone knows how 2K works, it's just crazy wingspan 7 foot SG/SF, where Giannis fits right in, he seems like it was created for the game As opposed to the real NBA where tall, skilled, athletic players are useless and made for being used cars salesmen. Here, I'll fix your quote for you. "Lastly, everyone knows how the NBA works, it's just crazy wingspan 7 foot SG/SF, where Giannis fits right in, he seems like it was created for the game. "
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 8, 2020 19:55:12 GMT
As opposed to the real NBA where tall, skilled, athletic players are useless and made for being used cars salesmen. Here, I'll fix your quote for you. "Lastly, everyone knows how the NBA works, it's just crazy wingspan 7 foot SG/SF, where Giannis fits right in, he seems like it was created for the game. " In 2K they dont take into account that a 7 foot player doesnt move or have the shot flow like a 6'6 player
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 8, 2020 20:05:13 GMT
As opposed to the real NBA where tall, skilled, athletic players are useless and made for being used cars salesmen. Here, I'll fix your quote for you. "Lastly, everyone knows how the NBA works, it's just crazy wingspan 7 foot SG/SF, where Giannis fits right in, he seems like it was created for the game. " In 2K they dont take into account that a 7 foot player doesnt move or have the shot flow like a 6'6 player We're talking about Giannis, and for that matter, players like KD, too. We're not talking about traditional 7-footers. Oh, wait! I get it. You don't actually watch basketball. Everything makes more sense now. Here, since you seem to be unfamiliar with Giannis, and his ability to move/impact on the game, I've included a link for you!
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 8, 2020 20:19:10 GMT
In 2K they dont take into account that a 7 foot player doesnt move or have the shot flow like a 6'6 player We're talking about Giannis, and for that matter, players like KD, too. We're not talking about traditional 7-footers. Oh, wait! I get it. You don't actually watch basketball. Everything makes more sense now. Here, since you seem to be unfamiliar with Giannis, and his ability to move/impact on the game, I've included a link for you! If you think Giannis has an even average shot flow or that he has the agility of a smaller player I can do nothing but laugh. You probably are comparing Giannis to you the average 6 foot dude, these are NBA athletes. His shot is so fluid that he shoots an incredible 30% from 3 even with teams leaving him open (which you would notice if you actually watched games) but hey, its 5% increase from last year. Also loving the 63% FT shooting. The man has amazing shooting mechanics. It's like what Harden said wasnt taken out of context. stats.nba.com/player/203507/shots-dash/Why don't you stop acting like a clown saying others dont watch the games and do yourself a favour and watch the games or check the stats. Look at the percentage of Giannis 3's that are wide open, that's right 80%. What a shooter. It's like what I said about him being 7 foot affect his shooting motion was true after all. stats.nba.com/players/speed-distance/?sort=AVG_SPEED&dir=1And would you look at that, Giannis not even top 150 in terms of average speed. What a freak, it's like you totally dont understand the playstyle of your player. You think this man is steph curry or something.
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 8, 2020 20:25:51 GMT
Giannis is having one of the best seasons ever lmao. I dont see why were blaming Izzo for being frustrated that giannis isnt near the player he is irl vs D%
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 8, 2020 20:28:49 GMT
Giannis is having one of the best seasons ever lmao. I dont see why were blaming Izzo for being frustrated that giannis isnt near the player he is irl vs D% Giannis is the 3rd best player in the league I'm not even denying that. But acting like 2K doesnt cover his 2 biggest flaws of his shooting motion and having his mobility/speed being better than some PG's that are world class athlete it's just a dumb take, specially when your excuse is saying other people's dont watch games when apparently its him that isnt watching.
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 8, 2020 20:34:34 GMT
Giannis is having one of the best seasons ever lmao. I dont see why were blaming Izzo for being frustrated that giannis isnt near the player he is irl vs D% Giannis is the 3rd best player in the league I'm not even denying that. But acting like 2K doesnt cover his 2 biggest flaws of his shooting motion and having his mobility/speed being better than some PG's that are world class athlete it's just a dumb take, specially when your excuse is saying other people's dont watch games when apparently its him that isnt watching. Giannis is the best player in the nba this season. I sim many seasons and he never shoots better than like 32% from 3. They dont make him ridiculously overpowered. 2k20 him is 100% closer to his IRL counterpart compared to d5
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 8, 2020 20:53:07 GMT
Giannis is the 3rd best player in the league I'm not even denying that. But acting like 2K doesnt cover his 2 biggest flaws of his shooting motion and having his mobility/speed being better than some PG's that are world class athlete it's just a dumb take, specially when your excuse is saying other people's dont watch games when apparently its him that isnt watching. Giannis is the best player in the nba this season. I sim many seasons and he never shoots better than like 32% from 3. They dont make him ridiculously overpowered. 2k20 him is 100% closer to his IRL counterpart compared to d5 Let's agree to disagree, he has like a 75 3 point shot on 2k, which is a joke if you shoot 30% when 80% of your shots are wide open. And his speed is like a 90
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 8, 2020 21:19:31 GMT
Giannis is the best player in the nba this season. I sim many seasons and he never shoots better than like 32% from 3. They dont make him ridiculously overpowered. 2k20 him is 100% closer to his IRL counterpart compared to d5 Let's agree to disagree, he has like a 75 3 point shot on 2k, which is a joke if you shoot 30% when 80% of your shots are wide open. And his speed is like a 90 I think you're concerning yourself with individual category ratings that, while important, I would argue that we need to consider the desired result from a simulation standpoint. So what more closely resembles real life impact and results? That's our overall objective. Not to be so concerned with 90 here, 80 there. Of course, those numbers make up the result, but to be that bogged down in the details is second priority to what the real priority is - simulation result. If a 75 3pt shot means he shoots 30-35%, then that could be what's needed. My point is that the individual category ratings are not as important as final result.
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 9, 2020 8:10:52 GMT
This is honestly what I expected, I swear, which is why I wanted a sim from another engine. I think my team is the best in the league right now but our sim isn't showing it. I fully expected to be in the championship for a 2k sim. Without having read any of the posts yet below this one, I can assure you - I am in the process today of setting up something so that me, Walt Frazier and James Kay (who just bought a copy of NBA Live 06) can try to address the underperformance of guys like Westbrook, Simmons and Giannis (and the overperformance of guys like Dirk and others). It may take a while though, it looks like it might re-work our ratings system but that remains to be seen.
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