Amare Stoudemire
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 17, 2019 0:36:47 GMT
Houston Trades:(86) Mike Conley $38,625,866 $42,874,711(65) Demetrius Jackson $898,3102021 Houston 1st2023 Houston 1stTotal Salary: $39,524,176Indiana Trades: (85) Draymond Green $24,500,000 $23,000,000 $21,500,00 $20,000,000
(82) Bojan bogdanovic $4,000,000 (71) Frank Ntilikina $3,719,700 $4,738,898 $6,421,207
2020 Washington 2nd Total Salary: $32,219,700 *125 $40,274,625 * Trade to be queued for December 15th I accept Larry Bird to concur Giving up 1sts suck but with giannis in his prime, and the way this team will be set up those should be late 1sts! This will completely stabilize and energize this team while building a contender around giannis with my vision of PG - kemba walker SG - bojan bogdanovic SF - giannis Pf - Draymond C - k.love 6th - lamb 7th - Frank ntilikina
This not only puts pieces around giannis but also saves me a little cap this season and around 15 mil next year to get me away from the dreaded hard cap while giving me the money to resign kemba if he opts out I will also try to retain bojan with my mid level next off season. Conley is rapidly declined and having 2 ball dominant point guards is not working and this change is needed for depth and a balanced starting unit! I'm aware Draymond has struggled this year a little but with all the injuries in gsw irl he can't hold down the 1st option, but with the d5 rockets he will slot in to a similar spot that he was in with gsw irl and help show giannis we are here to win! Picks are great but when you want to keep your superstar you have to take the risk! I feel this will be a contending team for years to come, and I also have my 1st next year, and a 2nd to pick up more cheap rookie scale players to add to the squad next year!
Let's get it Houston!!!
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Post by Tom Izzo on Dec 17, 2019 1:37:24 GMT
This is exactly why I despise this application process.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 17, 2019 1:45:35 GMT
This is exactly why I despise this application process. You or more than welcome to make moves or do what YOU think is best for the rockets Tom Izzo
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 17, 2019 1:53:56 GMT
Great trade for Larry Bird.
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Post by Jared Montini on Dec 17, 2019 1:55:59 GMT
Nice move Larry
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Post by George Gervin on Dec 17, 2019 2:07:48 GMT
No free agent loyalty here but a good trade for the Pacers. Head scratcher for Houston as I don’t see how Giannis-Love-Green works together
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Amare Stoudemire
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 17, 2019 2:11:41 GMT
I get you guys feel the picks for Larry make it great, but if you don't put a team around giannis, he leaves and that can't happen! This rockets team will work imo and the chance has to be taken to put a winning team around giannis! Picks are great but if you don't have a winning team giannis will leave and then your starting from scratch with no giannis and that just can't happen! Draymond is still a great player and will fit just fine!
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 17, 2019 2:12:51 GMT
Only time will tell but the lineup will now hold true imo and with Conley struggling mightily, this team needs balance and if it costs me 2 late 1sts I'm 💯 with that
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Post by James Kay on Dec 17, 2019 2:21:10 GMT
Does the waiting period for trades mean anything? lol
I know off-season FA was delayed this year but Draymond has been on the Pacers for 1 month and 10 days, and now he's being queued up for a trade over an entire month in advance of the December 15 deadline.
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Dec 17, 2019 2:29:21 GMT
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Post by George Gervin on Dec 17, 2019 2:32:25 GMT
Does the waiting period for trades mean anything? lol I know off-season FA was delayed this year but Draymond has been on the Pacers for 1 month and 10 days, and now he's being queued up for a trade over an entire month in advance of the December 15 deadline. This^. I recall last year when Hanamichi Sakuragi traded essentially his entire 1 PG and 4 Wings lineup from the 2018 offseason by February that the refrain was “no loyalty to signed guys”, and that should be the same here too
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 17, 2019 2:33:23 GMT
Only time will tell but the lineup will now hold true imo and with Conley struggling mightily, this team needs balance and if it costs me 2 late 1sts I'm 💯 with that You realize Draymond is playing like dogshit for the 2nd consecutive season and has a longer contract than Conley? Bogdanovic is nice but I don't even know if he has bird rights on that contract that are transferable (unless that's his rookie deal). Frank is speculative but hasn't exactly been great although I think he can still develop into a good player. The picks are so valuable because it's not outside the realm of possibility that in 2 years this team has literally no one left on it. Speculatively I could see both Walker AND Giannis skipping town simply due to the fact that when a GM leaves in the off-season the roster just gets buttfucked, very similar to what happened with the Pistons who are just now beginning to look like a real roster again. Ian Noble Further we should examine this. If someone doesn't check in before OSFA whoever is closest to the hard cap should assume responsibilities for signing players to an abandoned team so they don't get turned into wastelands that no one will go to. Additionally the application process should simply be, who's been waiting longest and a more active member of the community overall so new GMs don't feel the need to rush into deals in a panic to try and get something done to seem more viable as a GM because there are situations that could develop as the season goes on that drastically increase the value of a Love, Conley, etc. Amare Stoudemire I don't want you to think this critique is any way against you personally or an attack on your candidacy as GM it's overall an indictment of the process of getting new GM's. When I joined they just said "Here's Memphis, their best player is Anderson Varejao, figure it out dipshit." and I got my start by trade raping Tracy McGrady (currently in the hall of shame) which is honestly much simpler than "You have 2 weeks to GM this team into greatness" which is in and of itself an impossibility in a league where often times the best solution is to do nothing. Because in all honesty, even though a lot of people would look poorly on this decision, I'd try and trade Giannis if I was this team's GM. Everyone else has bad contract situations and isn't worth as much except Conley next season as a massive salary dump in exchange for a 1st.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Dec 17, 2019 2:51:20 GMT
I'm not a fan of this process either. Amare has done this twice now where he fires off deals very quickly and it hurts negotiations. He's watered down perceived player values and hurts me personally when trying to talk to teams. Additionally, there's pressure to accomplish something quickly when that's pretty hard to do. And by the way, you don't even know if you have the team for an entire month of the season.
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Post by Larry Bird on Dec 17, 2019 2:59:26 GMT
Mr. Gervin, I understand your sentiment. However, I’m sending Mr. Green from a team who has gone 0-5 over their first games to a team that has a pretty good lineup with Giannis, Kemba, and Kevin Love. He’s also bringing along with him a quality shooter and good scorer. I would definitely argue that, even though he just resigned with us, is not getting the bad end of the deal. He received a great contract in the offseason and is now part of a pretty good team, as well.
I accept this team.
I really don’t want to trade Bogdanvoic and Green. They are the best players on my team. I get some picks and a veteran point guard.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 17, 2019 3:06:03 GMT
Look boys, I'm not a idiot obviously I have been a assistant to phoenix - and helped him tremendously I've been a assistant to Chicago and helped tremendously I've been co-gm to the kings and helped them tremendously Green is still a good player, granted not a #1 but on this team will do what I need, rebound, assist the basketball, and play good d! Green is a good player still, and way better than Conley! I'm not a rookie and I feel I'm putting together a nice team around giannis! I would never trade giannis!!!!! Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Conley is in serious decline, not to mention can't stay healthy If you want to hate so be it, but this is what I feel is best, if you don't agree that's fine but if you think the way the rockets are constructed now is Ludacris! No one has a crystal ball but let the warriors get healthy next year and watch Draymond come back to life!! It's insulting to think you guys no all, I'm in this to keep my stars and this will be a competitive team period!
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Dec 17, 2019 3:12:10 GMT
Look boys, I'm not a idiot obviously I have been a assistant to phoenix - and helped him tremendously I've been a assistant to Chicago and helped tremendously I've been co-gm to the kings and helped them tremendously Green is still a good player, granted not a #1 but on this team will do what I need, rebound, assist the basketball, and play good d! Green is a good player still, and way better than Conley! I'm not a rookie and I feel I'm putting together a nice team around giannis! I would never trade giannis!!!!! Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Conley is in serious decline, not to mention can't stay healthy If you want to hate so be it, but this is what I feel is best, if you don't agree that's fine but if you think the way the rockets are constructed now is Ludacris! No one has a crystal ball but let the warriors get healthy next year and watch Draymond come back to life!! It's insulting to think you guys no all, I'm in this to keep my stars and this will be a competitive team period! Amare, no one is calling you an idiot. I don't even think this is a landslide even though in my opinion I think Larry gets the better shake of the deal. I've been right more than wrong but I've been REALLY wrong before so I'm open to that as well. I do however think that even you'd have to admit this deal doesn't exactly edit: manage future risk very well given the contract situations of those currently on the team.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 17, 2019 3:13:39 GMT
And to top it off I've talked to almost every gm and most want a 1st just to take Conley, this gives the team depth and a little cap space to do what needs done! Is it a little over pay? Maybe but this will be a good contender, and will surprise So everyone is entitled to their opinion but this in no way drags Conley value down when most every gm in this league either want none of him, or bullshit for him This roster needs stability, something Charles failed to do this off season So hate if you want but know I talked to most and this gives this team a real shot Walker, bojan, giannis, and love will score, Draymond will provide the intangibles! I'm not here to watch the rockets flushed down the toilet when they can be so much more And if I'm wrong their are canidates that can prove me wrong, and I want to see it Conley has crap value period
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 17, 2019 3:15:06 GMT
Look boys, I'm not a idiot obviously I have been a assistant to phoenix - and helped him tremendously I've been a assistant to Chicago and helped tremendously I've been co-gm to the kings and helped them tremendously Green is still a good player, granted not a #1 but on this team will do what I need, rebound, assist the basketball, and play good d! Green is a good player still, and way better than Conley! I'm not a rookie and I feel I'm putting together a nice team around giannis! I would never trade giannis!!!!! Everyone is entitled to their opinion but Conley is in serious decline, not to mention can't stay healthy If you want to hate so be it, but this is what I feel is best, if you don't agree that's fine but if you think the way the rockets are constructed now is Ludacris! No one has a crystal ball but let the warriors get healthy next year and watch Draymond come back to life!! It's insulting to think you guys no all, I'm in this to keep my stars and this will be a competitive team period! Amare, no one is calling you an idiot. I don't even think this is a landslide even though in my opinion I think Larry gets the better shake of the deal. I've been right more than wrong but I've been REALLY wrong before so I'm open to that as well. I do however think that even you'd have to admit this deal doesn't exactly future risk very well given the contract situations of those currently on the team. Well I'm sorry but I completely disagree with you on this bud, and that's ok bc that's what this is all about correct?
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 17, 2019 3:27:05 GMT
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 17, 2019 3:29:35 GMT
And for the record this is not a trade I'm making to prove anything during this process This is a trade I'm making to make the Houston Rockets a deeper more competitive team!
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 17, 2019 3:33:26 GMT
I'm not a fan of this process either. Amare has done this twice now where he fires off deals very quickly and it hurts negotiations. He's watered down perceived player values and hurts me personally when trying to talk to teams. Additionally, there's pressure to accomplish something quickly when that's pretty hard to do. And by the way, you don't even know if you have the team for an entire month of the season. If you feel that way Tom than prove me wrong and make a better deal for the rockets! Don't blame me for doing what I think is best, do you and make a better deal! Talk to all the GM's like I did and find better, and if you do I will graciously tell you! Just don't blame me for being active and talking to most all gms
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Post by James Kay on Dec 17, 2019 3:34:02 GMT
I'm not a fan of this process either. Amare has done this twice now where he fires off deals very quickly and it hurts negotiations. He's watered down perceived player values and hurts me personally when trying to talk to teams. Additionally, there's pressure to accomplish something quickly when that's pretty hard to do. And by the way, you don't even know if you have the team for an entire month of the season. If you feel that way Tom than prove me wrong and make a better deal for the rockets! Don't blame me for doing what I think is best, do you and make a better deal! Talk to all the GM's like I did and find better, and if you do I will graciously tell you! Just don't blame me for being active and talking to most all gms The point Tom and Jer are both making is going so far over your head lmao
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 17, 2019 3:36:20 GMT
If you feel that way Tom than prove me wrong and make a better deal for the rockets! Don't blame me for doing what I think is best, do you and make a better deal! Talk to all the GM's like I did and find better, and if you do I will graciously tell you! Just don't blame me for being active and talking to most all gms The point Tom and Jer are both making is going so far over your head lmao That's your opinion James, only time will tell
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Dec 17, 2019 4:24:46 GMT
Is this jr?
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Dec 18, 2019 4:45:34 GMT
Ian Noble please place this trade in the trash as I will be taking my self out of the running to be the new rockets gm and happily stay in my position with the Kings! My apologies Larry Bird for wasting your time!
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Post by Larry Bird on Dec 18, 2019 4:51:41 GMT
It’s alright.
I’ll keep my 4 PF lineup and figure out what to do.
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