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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 29, 2019 22:08:12 GMT
S08E03
Holy shit.
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 29, 2019 23:48:55 GMT
It was both awesome and deflating. I really wanted it to be the Night King wrecking shit like the 2001 Lakers in the postseason, and then he was killed by the assassin that is Arya after she snuck by HOW MANY DEAD GUYS and got to a guy who has been untouchable for 7 seasons? It was a great ending but one that left me wanting a bit more.
Also the lighting for the episode was so dark it felt like I was watching a horror film
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 29, 2019 23:56:45 GMT
I thought the lighting was really bsd
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 30, 2019 0:01:23 GMT
I actually adjusted VLC Player's settings so I could see more than just darkness I agree it's fucking deflating that a guy who can't be killed by dragon's fire is nevertheless completely vulnerable to just one stab wound from a valerian blade... Maybe nobody knew that before Arya killed him, but once the Night King shows himself the entire army's strategy should've been to target him with arrows since seemingly just one shard of dragonglass would end the whole war.
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Post by Alex English on Apr 30, 2019 0:34:45 GMT
It was basically the same thing Game of Thrones has been since they ran out of book material. It's a nice spectacle, but the plots don't make a lot of sense if you think too hard.
They've been building up this existential threat since the very first scene, and it just ends in the very first real fight against them with the mary sue ninja assassin Arya popping out of nowhere to prison shank him. All is well in the world again, they can go back to their petty political squabbles. Like why did the white walkers come back? What's their motivation? What the hell was Bran doing that whole episode? Why didn't Brienne, Grey Worm, Tormund, Pod, etc. die when they clearly should have?
I didn't even hate the episode, it's just so anticlimactic when it comes to the plot. Game of Thrones is meant to be the show where the heroes aren't perfect and face real consequences for their decisions while the villains are really just the heroes of their own story. Now the bad guys and the good guys are just so superficially obvious that nothing is surprising or satisfying because nothing is earned. It just feels like a superhero movie at this point.
Clearly I'm a book nerd, if you couldn't tell lol. Feel free to ignore this rant.
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 30, 2019 0:43:16 GMT
I will say the episode had some amazing musical score, especially the bit where the Night King was walking up to Bran
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 30, 2019 3:14:10 GMT
It was a great episode. Specially the last 10 minutes or so. Loved the music and some people are complain about the lack of brightness of the episode but it was a battle at night against the NK who literally brought darkness, fog and snow with me.
What really bothers me is the plot armor. For example Sam has to be one of the worst warriors in that battle, right near the end Jon passes through him and he is laying on a pile of wights with others falling on top of him. Jon looks at him and isntead of helping him just keeps moving forward, where's the consequences in that? Sam shouldn't be alive not to mention having the characters pinned against the wall and thousands of wights for so long took me a bit out it.
Arya is the real MVP tho. But can't shake the feeling that A Song Of Ice and Fire ending will be better than A Game Of Thrones ending just because GOT got to mainstream.
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 30, 2019 3:25:06 GMT
Btw the Night King was created by being stabbed by a girl under the weirdwood tree and died by a girl stabbing under the weirdwood tree with possibly the same knife that creatad him. There's no reason to overthink it.
Also take a look at Bran's face when he gives Arya the dagger last season, definitely up to something and the writers said they knew for the past 3 seasons that Arya was the one who would kill the NK. And who better to do it than someone who literally served under the God of Death.
That part didn't bother me at all I actually enjoyed it.
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Post by Alex English on Apr 30, 2019 4:26:36 GMT
Btw the Night King was created by being stabbed by a girl under the weirdwood tree and died by a girl stabbing under the weirdwood tree with possibly the same knife that creatad him. There's no reason to overthink it. Also take a look at Bran's face when he gives Arya the dagger last season, definitely up to something and the writers said they knew for the past 3 seasons that Arya was the one who would kill the NK. And who better to do it than someone who literally served under the God of Death. That part didn't bother me at all I actually enjoyed it. Not overthinking it. It's just that their entire existence is pretty pointless in the show. They're just a big bad boogeyman evil force that only exists to be killed by the good guys. That whole thing is just kinda boring to me. I also don't have a problem that Arya was actually the one to do it in the show. They're not bound by the plot development of the books (the Night King doesn't even exist in the books). I just don't like how it happened. She just appeared from offscreen and surprise attacked the most powerful dude in that universe. Which makes no sense because they were surrounded by his army. It just could have been set up in a better way. Why not have Theon fight him and distract him and sacrifice himself that way, and that gives the opening for Arya to make the kill? Theon still fights to defend the Starks and his chosen family and actually give his death more significance over the suicidal charge he actually did. Everything is just so convenient and the writing just seems kinda lazy. As I said before, I'm not even hating on it. I liked watching the episode. It was intense and really made and all that fun stuff. It's just that the resolution of one of the biggest and most built up plot lines was lazy and unsatisfying. It's just basic and forgetful, when a good movie or show should have a more meaningful conclusion.
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Post by Dell Demps on Apr 30, 2019 5:13:16 GMT
Btw the Night King was created by being stabbed by a girl under the weirdwood tree and died by a girl stabbing under the weirdwood tree with possibly the same knife that creatad him. There's no reason to overthink it. Also take a look at Bran's face when he gives Arya the dagger last season, definitely up to something and the writers said they knew for the past 3 seasons that Arya was the one who would kill the NK. And who better to do it than someone who literally served under the God of Death. That part didn't bother me at all I actually enjoyed it. Not overthinking it. It's just that their entire existence is pretty pointless in the show. They're just a big bad boogeyman evil force that only exists to be killed by the good guys. That whole thing is just kinda boring to me. I also don't have a problem that Arya was actually the one to do it in the show. They're not bound by the plot development of the books (the Night King doesn't even exist in the books). I just don't like how it happened. She just appeared from offscreen and surprise attacked the most powerful dude in that universe. Which makes no sense because they were surrounded by his army. It just could have been set up in a better way. Why not have Theon fight him and distract him and sacrifice himself that way, and that gives the opening for Arya to make the kill? Theon still fights to defend the Starks and his chosen family and actually give his death more significance over the suicidal charge he actually did. Everything is just so convenient and the writing just seems kinda lazy. As I said before, I'm not even hating on it. I liked watching the episode. It was intense and really made and all that fun stuff. It's just that the resolution of one of the biggest and most built up plot lines was lazy and unsatisfying. It's just basic and forgetful, when a good movie or show should have a more meaningful conclusion. couldn't have said it better.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Apr 30, 2019 6:45:27 GMT
Agreed 100%
Never mind the inconsistency with the wights. This absolutely overwhelming force, just pouring thousands of bodies into battle. But all of our heroes survive. And Arya, the Hound, and Jesus 2.0 have a sneaky session.
This whole season has been a giant fan fiction.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 30, 2019 8:17:01 GMT
I was so stressed after GoT I couldn't sleep, stayed up until 2am watching the first half of Sixers vs Raptors!
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 30, 2019 9:26:12 GMT
Agreed 100% Never mind the inconsistency with the wights. This absolutely overwhelming force, just pouring thousands of bodies into battle. But all of our heroes survive. And Arya, the Hound, and Jesus 2.0 have a sneaky session. This whole season has been a giant fan fiction. The Hound would never die before the Clegane bowl
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 30, 2019 13:27:41 GMT
I hated how the White Walker did't even fight in the episode. I agree with Alex. They built them up and we kept waiting for them to arrive. They finally arrive and then don't even fight at all. I wanted to see some White Walkers ripping through people and killing some of the main characters.
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Post by Dell Demps on Apr 30, 2019 14:34:19 GMT
Game of Thrones is trash since season 6, change my mind.
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 30, 2019 14:38:22 GMT
Game of Thrones is trash since season 6, change my mind. Since or after?
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Post by Dell Demps on Apr 30, 2019 14:50:11 GMT
Game of Thrones is trash since season 6, change my mind. Since or after? did I stutter?
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Post by Jerry West on Apr 30, 2019 14:51:44 GMT
Because the Battle of Bastards and Winds of Winter at the end of season 6 were both brilliant episodes and some of the best television I've ever seen. In my opinion
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Post by Dell Demps on Apr 30, 2019 14:54:32 GMT
Because the Battle of Bastards and Winds of Winter at the end of season 6 were both brilliant episodes and some of the best television I've ever seen. In my opinion everything went downhill since season 6, both episode may be brilliant but it doesn't justify the fact that the season, overall, was not written well.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 30, 2019 15:42:20 GMT
I'm with Alex, by itself the episode was really decent. But lack of payoff which potentially could be explained next episode. But you have this dude with motivations that need fleshed out.
Further, why even have White Walkers if they are just gonna walk around like hype men and do nothing.
Battle logistics made 0 sense why just blow your Dothraki load and waste an entire battalion of people. Why are the seige engines not going the whole time? Why don't we have fire and oil pouring over the wall like even Lord of the Rings had? These are supposedly the best military minds in the world and they don't even know how to defend from a siege properly.
Further even if you want 100% of your army outside the walls for literally 0 reason because with the undead choke points should make it easier. Wouldn't it have been much cooler if you see Brianne fighting a white walker and the white walker goes down and then a Platoon of nearby zombies go down as well. Then they can still be gradually overwhelmed but you can give characters better deaths?
Can we also talk about how dark it was? I get needing to save budget but you literally couldn't see shit.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Apr 30, 2019 18:12:39 GMT
It was a terrible episode; D & D should be ashamed of themselves.
I can't wait for GRRM to come out and release his own shit.
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Post by Jay Z on Apr 30, 2019 20:21:40 GMT
Further even if you want 100% of your army outside the walls for literally 0 reason because with the undead choke points should make it easier. Wouldn't it have been much cooler if you see Brianne fighting a white walker and the white walker goes down and then a Platoon of nearby zombies go down as well. Then they can still be gradually overwhelmed but you can give characters better deaths? That and a ton of other random people's ideas would have made it a much better watch. The writers put the human army behind the eight ball so fucking fast and just left them there. Like at some point I expected/wanted the tides to turn a bit and enjoy this beautiful set piece we've been waiting years to view. But instead the war with the white walkers was too one-sided to enjoy and yet big bad goes down with a whimper. Not the payoff I expected after having "winter is coming" jammed down my throat for years.
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 30, 2019 20:22:29 GMT
Is this show that good? Ive never even watched a single episode 😆 Ive always watched shameless
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 30, 2019 22:27:25 GMT
Is this show that good? Ive never even watched a single episode 😆 Ive always watched shameless It's pretty good. Slow first few seasons. Picked up the last 3-4.
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 30, 2019 22:36:53 GMT
Is this show that good? Ive never even watched a single episode 😆 Ive always watched shameless To me it’s HBOs second best series ever after the Sopranos, which will be very, very hard for any show to top
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Apr 30, 2019 22:49:32 GMT
That ending tho. I don’t care I hated the ending
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 30, 2019 22:52:32 GMT
Take the ending out of it, cause I agree it sucked (thought my TV broke when it happened)...has a show had a better run than the Sopranos? Maybe MASH but that was a show on public TV
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Apr 30, 2019 22:56:38 GMT
Sons is on regular cable but nothing has ever beat that imo
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Post by Alex English on Apr 30, 2019 23:26:56 GMT
Take the ending out of it, cause I agree it sucked (thought my TV broke when it happened)...has a show had a better run than the Sopranos? Maybe MASH but that was a show on public TV Have you seen The Wire? It's better than The Sopranos imo. Also I liked the ending for The Sopranos. I think it's pretty well hinted that he's dead. To me it's based on his perspective, and so when he's shot in the head by the dude coming out of the bathroom (an homage to The Godfather), he obviously doesn't see it coming. It's just cut to black, because he died instantly.
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Post by George Gervin on Apr 30, 2019 23:40:08 GMT
Take the ending out of it, cause I agree it sucked (thought my TV broke when it happened)...has a show had a better run than the Sopranos? Maybe MASH but that was a show on public TV Have you seen The Wire? It's better than The Sopranos imo. Also I liked the ending for The Sopranos. I think it's pretty well hinted that he's dead. To me it's based on his perspective, and so when he's shot in the head by the dude coming out of the bathroom (an homage to The Godfather), he obviously doesn't see it coming. It's just cut to black, because he died instantly. I’ve watched the Wire, but I do think the Sopranos are better. It’s close between those two and GoT, but I do put the Sopranos at the top. There so many great episodes and exchanges— plus the casting in the show was amazing. Gandolfini was incredible in the show
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