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Post by George Gervin on Mar 27, 2019 14:30:20 GMT
I’ve mulled posting this for a while, and the way I’m thinking about this is plainly as prospects— not how they’ve performed in the NBA— who have been the best 10 prospects in the last five years? So this would go back to the Wiggins draft all they way up to including this years class. My initial thoughts on the ranking were: - Joel Embiid
- Luka Doncic
- Karl Anthony-Towns
- Ben Simmons
- Kristaps Porzingis
- Andrew Wiggins
- Jayson Tatum
- Zion Williamson
- Jaren Jackson Jr.
- Markelle Fultz
Obviously these guys are all over the map as far as NBA performance, but what would everyone else’s top 10 be? This was a lot more difficult when I started jotting these down and thinking of permutations
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Mar 27, 2019 14:33:07 GMT
Your missing the bum jabari parker the next choke melo
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 27, 2019 14:42:27 GMT
Your missing the bum jabari parker the next choke melo If this was a top 15, guys like him and Lonzo would probably be there
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 27, 2019 14:48:26 GMT
I think KAT has gotta be #1, out of all these guys he was the most "can't miss" of the bunch.
I'd go:
1. KAT ---> Zion 2. Simmons 3. Wiggins 4. Ayton 5. Doncic
EDIT: just saw we have Zion in here. I think he's right behind KAT at #2
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 27, 2019 14:48:47 GMT
Parker was a better prospect than KP or Tatum. Tatum wasn't even a clear number 3.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 27, 2019 14:50:52 GMT
Joel Embiid Luka Doncic Karl Anthony-Towns Ben Simmons Jaren Jackson Jr. Kristaps Porzingis Jaren Jackson Jayson Tatum Dante Exum Zion Williamson
This is where I'd rank them based on my personal hype coming into the draft. I was probably way more hype on Luka than Embiid but Embiid without the injuries and missed seasons/games is clearly the best prospect of them all.
Anthony Davis tops this list if you go back 2 more years but I don't think the rest of the list changes much if at all.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 27, 2019 14:51:36 GMT
Joel Embiid Luka Doncic Karl Anthony-Towns Ben Simmons Jaren Jackson Jr. Kristaps Porzingis Jaren Jackson Jayson Tatum Dante Exum Zion Williamson This is where I'd rank them based on my personal hype coming into the draft. I was probably way more hype on Luka than Embiid but Embiid without the injuries and missed seasons/games is clearly the best prospect of them all. Absolutely hated Wiggins and Fultz feel justified in that. Anthony Davis tops this list if you go back 2 more years but I don't think the rest of the list changes much if at all.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 27, 2019 14:52:57 GMT
Are you guys not taking into account that Embiid was super injured?
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 27, 2019 15:22:21 GMT
This is my list in case anyone was wondering:
1 - Wiggins (people forget how hyped up he was, they called him the Canadian Lebron) 2 - Zion 3 - Luka 4 - KAT 5 - Simmons 6 - Parker 7 - Embiid 8 - Lonzo 9 - Ingram 10 - Tatum
KP was considered a reach camon guys, how was he more hyped than this guys?
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 27, 2019 15:26:44 GMT
You’ve got Parker at 6? The guy who in college couldn’t defend anyone and showed lateral quickness problems then?
And KP was a proven 7+ ft option who could defend...he warranted the hype
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Mar 27, 2019 15:41:36 GMT
Parker was super hyped though bro im from milwaukee so im a huge bucks fan and i remember the insane amount of hype around wiggins,parker, embid! I personally wanted the bucks to take embid and let him rest but none the less all 3 were super hyped as cant miss wiggins-lebron/ parker-melo/ embid-freak of nature. Boy were the 1st 2 wrong and thats why i wont make a list or believe the zion hype! Zion is super hyped but morant will be the better player!
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 27, 2019 15:43:32 GMT
I mean it's pretty easy to talk but Parker was only second to the first guy in the list, dude was labeled as the next Carmelo and people were saying he was going to put at least 25 a game.
And KP? Wtf are you on he was a reach with the 4th pick. Everyone is an expert after the draft. Hezonja was a bigger prospect and more hyped than KP ever was lmao
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 27, 2019 15:53:26 GMT
I disagree that KP was a reach at 4– the year prior when he was a late withdrawal, he had a promise from the Thunder in the mid first round and he was doing very well in the Spanish league. I didn’t think Hezonja was a great prospect at all and was overrated
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 27, 2019 16:10:15 GMT
I disagree that KP was a reach at 4– the year prior when he was a late withdrawal, he had a promise from the Thunder in the mid first round and he was doing very well in the Spanish league. I didn’t think Hezonja was a great prospect at all and was overrated Ever had a prediction wrong? Cause if that was your Top 10 before the drafts I don't know how you haven't been hired by the NBA yet
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 27, 2019 16:13:50 GMT
I disagree that KP was a reach at 4– the year prior when he was a late withdrawal, he had a promise from the Thunder in the mid first round and he was doing very well in the Spanish league. I didn’t think Hezonja was a great prospect at all and was overrated Ever had a prediction wrong? Cause if that was your Top 10 before the drafts I don't know how you haven't been hired by the NBA yet Plenty wrong— I thought Okafor was gonna be a dominant guy based on his production, and that guys like Terrence Jones would be better in the NBA than in college.
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 27, 2019 16:15:33 GMT
Ever had a prediction wrong? Cause if that was your Top 10 before the drafts I don't know how you haven't been hired by the NBA yet Plenty wrong— I thought Okafor was gonna be a dominant guy based on his production, and that guys like Terrence Jones would be better in the NBA than in college. Then how is he not in your Top 10?
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Post by George Gervin on Mar 27, 2019 16:17:27 GMT
Plenty wrong— I thought Okafor was gonna be a dominant guy based on his production, and that guys like Terrence Jones would be better in the NBA than in college. Then how is he not in your Top 10? Cause this is over a 5 yr period and he didn’t make it in that group over these other guys
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 27, 2019 17:11:19 GMT
Then how is he not in your Top 10? Cause this is over a 5 yr period and he didn’t make it in that group over these other guys Was in the same draft as KP
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 27, 2019 18:17:50 GMT
I mean it's pretty easy to talk but Parker was only second to the first guy in the list, dude was labeled as the next Carmelo and people were saying he was going to put at least 25 a game. And KP? Wtf are you on he was a reach with the 4th pick. Everyone is an expert after the draft. Hezonja was a bigger prospect and more hyped than KP ever was lmao I had KP 2nd or 3rd on my list that year. Okafor didn't play any defense. But KP was hardly a proven commodity like George said.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 27, 2019 18:21:41 GMT
I disagree that KP was a reach at 4– the year prior when he was a late withdrawal, he had a promise from the Thunder in the mid first round and he was doing very well in the Spanish league. I didn’t think Hezonja was a great prospect at all and was overrated Ever had a prediction wrong? Cause if that was your Top 10 before the drafts I don't know how you haven't been hired by the NBA yet I've consistently picked better than all but the top GMs in the NBA. I haven't been hired because I don't have a platform and I also am operating without any of the external pressures that come with being a real life employee. For example I fully believe that Barrett or Morant have easier paths to being great NBA players than Zion. There is not a GM alive outside of maybe Popovich, Ujiri, or Morey that would be allowed to not pick Zion and only Pop would be immune to the savagery of fans in response to not picking Zion. Plus if it doesn't work out and you look dumb you're fired.
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 27, 2019 18:24:32 GMT
Ever had a prediction wrong? Cause if that was your Top 10 before the drafts I don't know how you haven't been hired by the NBA yet I've consistently picked better than all but the top GMs in the NBA. I haven't been hired because I don't have a platform and I also am operating without any of the external pressures that come with being a real life employee. For example I fully believe that Barrett or Morant have easier paths to being great NBA players than Zion. There is not a GM alive outside of maybe Popovich, Ujiri, or Morey that would be allowed to not pick Zion and only Pop would be immune to the savagery of fans in response to not picking Zion. Plus if it doesn't work out and you look dumb you're fired. Media and fan pressure is definitely a factor, more from Owners than fans even but that's what your being paid to do
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 27, 2019 21:15:11 GMT
Are we talking pre-Draft hype?
2014: I actually think Wiggins comes out on top of this list. The hype for him was insane. Embiid was the same, but the injuries put a dampener on the hype when he was drafted. Jabari wasn't far behind them either. That was a rare draft when there were 3 "five star", "franchise-changing" prospects.
2015: Okafor vs Towns was a genuine question most of the year leading up to that draft, but not enough to put Okafor in the Top 10 here. Porzingis was a high pick but not an option inside the Top 3.
2016: Simmons or Ingram? Clearly a Top 2 Draft and then it's wide open.
2017: Fultz and Ball. There's never been an instance when a point guard taken in the Top 3 busts. Surely it can't happen.
2018: Ayton was consensus #1. Euros like Hezonja or more common than Doncic.
1. Wiggins 2. Zion 3. Embiid 4. Towns 5. Simmons 6. Jabari 7. Fultz 8. Ingram 9. Ayton 10. Lonzo
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 28, 2019 0:15:35 GMT
It is idiotic to anoint anyone as the next.... or this guy will SURELY be better than this guy.
Tsk.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 28, 2019 3:46:39 GMT
Are we talking pre-Draft hype? 2014: I actually think Wiggins comes out on top of this list. The hype for him was insane. Embiid was the same, but the injuries put a dampener on the hype when he was drafted. Jabari wasn't far behind them either. That was a rare draft when there were 3 "five star", "franchise-changing" prospects. 2015: Okafor vs Towns was a genuine question most of the year leading up to that draft, but not enough to put Okafor in the Top 10 here. Porzingis was a high pick but not an option inside the Top 3. 2016: Simmons or Ingram? Clearly a Top 2 Draft and then it's wide open. 2017: Fultz and Ball. There's never been an instance when a point guard taken in the Top 3 busts. Surely it can't happen. 2018: Ayton was consensus #1. Euros like Hezonja or more common than Doncic. 1. Wiggins 2. Zion 3. Embiid 4. Towns 5. Simmons 6. Jabari 7. Fultz 8. Ingram 9. Ayton 10. Lonzo Nah, I believe we're talking just pure "AS A PROSPECT" like "as a prospect" subtracting injury Embiid is tops literally since AD. Then we look at it opinion based individually. How much did you like Wiggins? If you liked him a lot he could be higher than Embiid, but I personally subtract injury issues from MOST prospect profiles because I mean, Embiid didn't have a long injury history up to that point. Not like a couple prospects who were highly touted like the Porter bros.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2019 17:03:47 GMT
I thought Barrett was one especially when Canada beat the US in the U19 tourney
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