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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 28, 2019 15:13:40 GMT
Finally the Brow is leaving the dumpster fire Pelicans. Where will he go? For what package?
My money is to the Lakers for Ingram and Lonzo, though if I was the Pelicans gm no way would I take that weak package
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Post by Jared Montini on Jan 28, 2019 15:18:06 GMT
When will the Celtics be able to get him? The offseason right? I'd say lakers seem most likely but the Knicks could offer KP and like frank plus picks
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 28, 2019 15:20:52 GMT
Lakers seem like the obvious destination.
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Post by George Gervin on Jan 28, 2019 15:26:42 GMT
Destination appears to be LA, but...if I’m the 76ers, I would put Ben Simmons and that Miami 2021 unprotected 1st on the table for AD. The Brow, Embiid, and Jimmy Butler out East is a ridiculous group
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Post by George Gervin on Jan 28, 2019 15:27:41 GMT
And come at me Philly fans that you’d hold onto Simmons if the player you get back is a walking 29/13/4/2/2 player who is 25
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 28, 2019 15:36:23 GMT
And come at me Philly fans that you’d hold onto Simmons if the player you get back is a walking 29/13/4/2/2 player who is 25 lol Simmons is 22 and averages a triple double. Nephew please.
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Post by George Gervin on Jan 28, 2019 15:41:12 GMT
And come at me Philly fans that you’d hold onto Simmons if the player you get back is a walking 29/13/4/2/2 player who is 25 lol Simmons is 22 and averages a triple double. Nephew please. He also refuses to shoot and if you can get a top 5 player, you do it. AD is better than Simmons, period and is still just 25.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 28, 2019 15:56:47 GMT
lol Simmons is 22 and averages a triple double. Nephew please. He also refuses to shoot and if you can get a top 5 player, you do it. AD is better than Simmons, period and is still just 25. Don't get me wrong AD is the best big in the game right now, it just doesn't make sense for Philly, and the gap between Simmons and AD isn't the size of your mom's vagina like you're suggesting. Why would they need another Embiid inside at the expense of their point guard who's younger and not even far behind? Their entire team roster is structured around Simmons's point guard play... is Fultz coming back better than ever? Is Jrue thrown in too?
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Post by Jerry West on Jan 28, 2019 16:02:13 GMT
He also refuses to shoot and if you can get a top 5 player, you do it. AD is better than Simmons, period and is still just 25. Don't get me wrong AD is the best big in the game right now, it just doesn't make sense for Philly, and the gap between Simmons and AD isn't the size of your mom's vagina like you're suggesting. Why would they need another Embiid inside at the expense of their point guard who's younger and not even far behind? Their entire team roster is structured around Simmons's point guard play... is Fultz coming back better than ever? Is Jrue thrown in too? "size of your mom's vagina" WOW HOLD UP A MINUTE
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Post by George Gervin on Jan 28, 2019 16:02:49 GMT
He also refuses to shoot and if you can get a top 5 player, you do it. AD is better than Simmons, period and is still just 25. Don't get me wrong AD is the best big in the game right now, it just doesn't make sense for Philly, and the gap between Simmons and AD isn't the size of your mom's vagina like you're suggesting. Why would they need another Embiid inside at the expense of their point guard who's younger and not even far behind? Their entire team roster is structured around Simmons's point guard play... is Fultz coming back better than ever? Is Jrue thrown in too? I disagree— the gap between Simmons and AD is likely top 15 player vs. top 5 player— that’s a lot, and if you have Embiid and AD, you defensively have the best pair since Duncan and David Robinson, both guys can shoot from distance (agreed they prefer post play), and more importantly if you’re Philly, it forces Butler to be a third wheel which is best for them. Simmons isn’t good enough right now to hold off the cracks already starting to show with Butler rattling for the ball. He’d have no choice but to cede to AD and Embiid, and that big 3 is better than Simmons with those two. The 76ers would arguably have 2 of the top 4 guys out East, and the trade for Butler accelerates the timeline, which AD is better suited to help deliver that than Simmons. Your Celtics also showed last year the blueprint to beat Philly, and as long as Simmons refuses to shoot, Philly won’t go to that next level
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Post by George Gervin on Jan 28, 2019 16:23:45 GMT
Don't get me wrong AD is the best big in the game right now, it just doesn't make sense for Philly, and the gap between Simmons and AD isn't the size of your mom's vagina like you're suggesting. Why would they need another Embiid inside at the expense of their point guard who's younger and not even far behind? Their entire team roster is structured around Simmons's point guard play... is Fultz coming back better than ever? Is Jrue thrown in too? "size of your mom's vagina" WOW HOLD UP A MINUTE Yeah I saw this slight— I chalk it up to Ian Noble defense of his players, even when he’s wrong
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 28, 2019 16:33:16 GMT
"size of your mom's vagina" WOW HOLD UP A MINUTE Yeah I saw this slight— I chalk it up to Ian Noble defense of his players, even when he’s wrong If I was going to bet on it I'd say the Lakers send a package that includes either Ingram or Lonzo, plus Kuzma and picks. Not sure if they'd then have enough money to go shopping in free agency though.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 28, 2019 16:58:08 GMT
There's no way I'd trade Simmons for Anthony Davis personally. But Elton brand already showed he's short sighted with the Jimmy Butler trade so who knows
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Post by James Kay on Jan 28, 2019 17:01:42 GMT
Don't get me wrong AD is the best big in the game right now, it just doesn't make sense for Philly, and the gap between Simmons and AD isn't the size of your mom's vagina like you're suggesting. Why would they need another Embiid inside at the expense of their point guard who's younger and not even far behind? Their entire team roster is structured around Simmons's point guard play... is Fultz coming back better than ever? Is Jrue thrown in too? I disagree— the gap between Simmons and AD is likely top 15 player vs. top 5 player >Ben Simmons >Top 15 ?? ??
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Post by Billy King on Jan 28, 2019 17:13:23 GMT
He also refuses to shoot and if you can get a top 5 player, you do it. AD is better than Simmons, period and is still just 25. Don't get me wrong AD is the best big in the game right now, it just doesn't make sense for Philly, and the gap between Simmons and AD isn't the size of your mom's vagina like you're suggesting. Why would they need another Embiid inside at the expense of their point guard who's younger and not even far behind? Their entire team roster is structured around Simmons's point guard play... is Fultz coming back better than ever? Is Jrue thrown in too? You're too hard on simmons dude. No one wants a giant pg that can't defend the perimeter for a full game and can't shoot. he's not a guy you can build a contender around. He's a guy you build a fun team around, nothing more.
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Post by Billy King on Jan 28, 2019 17:14:20 GMT
inb4 Ian will start to say something about Jabari Parker being good
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Post by George Gervin on Jan 28, 2019 17:14:40 GMT
I disagree— the gap between Simmons and AD is likely top 15 player vs. top 5 player >Ben Simmons >Top 15 ?? ?? Once you get past the top 12-13, there’s an argument to be made that Simmons belongs in the conversation at 14/15 overall in the League. In no particular order, I’d have the guys below definitely ahead of Simmons: Giannis LeBron AD KD Curry Harden Westbrook Paul George Embiid Kawhi KAT Kyrie Jokic After that group, next tier arguably starts with Dame Lillard, but I think Simmons is in that discussion
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 28, 2019 17:30:30 GMT
Simmons is fun, but a Simmons/Embiid core simply isn’t enough to win a ring. It’s not even enough to get out of the east. It might not even be enough for home court advantage in the first round.
AD is a truly elite player and closer in age to Embiid. They would thrive together and be insane. If the trade was on the table, I’d think the 76ers would have to make it. Salaries could be hard to match though.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 28, 2019 17:33:17 GMT
Simmons is fun, but a Simmons/Embiid core simply isn’t enough to win a ring. It’s not even enough to get out of the east. It might not even be enough for home court advantage in the first round. AD is a truly elite player and closer in age to Embiid. They would thrive together and be insane. If the trade was on the table, I’d think the 76ers would have to make it. Salaries could be hard to match though. That would lock in their team of the future as Embiid, Anthony Davis and Jimmy Butler with shamet, zhaire and minimum players around them. Love Joel and Anthony but that's not a championship team imo. Not enough depth or shooting
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Post by Billy King on Jan 28, 2019 17:37:06 GMT
Simmons is fun, but a Simmons/Embiid core simply isn’t enough to win a ring. It’s not even enough to get out of the east. It might not even be enough for home court advantage in the first round. AD is a truly elite player and closer in age to Embiid. They would thrive together and be insane. If the trade was on the table, I’d think the 76ers would have to make it. Salaries could be hard to match though. That would lock in their team of the future as Embiid, Anthony Davis and Jimmy Butler with shamet, zhaire and minimum players around them. Love Joel and Anthony but that's not a championship team imo. Not enough depth or shooting ADs team defense sucks and he can kinda shoot. It’s still a major upgrade for them over Ben whose defense is alright but definitely can’t shoot.
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Post by Jerry West on Jan 28, 2019 17:39:44 GMT
Plus, imagine how hard it is to defend 2 towers in Embiid and Davis, and they already have the perfect SG for them, although he probably has another 1 or 2 seasons in him.
Plus Butler is an all star, the only thing missing is a PG, maybe TJ can help them there, he's really liked within the franchise.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 28, 2019 17:39:52 GMT
>Ben Simmons >Top 15 ?? ?? Once you get past the top 12-13, there’s an argument to be made that Simmons belongs in the conversation at 14/15 overall in the League. In no particular order, I’d have the guys below definitely ahead of Simmons: Giannis LeBron AD KD Curry Harden Westbrook Paul George Embiid Kawhi KAT Kyrie Jokic After that group, next tier arguably starts with Dame Lillard, but I think Simmons is in that discussion Well you just named 13 players and I'd also take Griffin, LMA, and Gobert above him for sure. Then I'd also put Lillard, Kemba, Jrue, Oladipo above him. And then he's in the conversation with Beal, DeMar, Booker, Klay, Dray, Butler, Lowry. The highest I'd go is like 21 but I might go as low as 30.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 28, 2019 17:53:39 GMT
Any day of the week I would trade Simmons for AD.
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Post by George Gervin on Jan 28, 2019 17:55:23 GMT
Once you get past the top 12-13, there’s an argument to be made that Simmons belongs in the conversation at 14/15 overall in the League. In no particular order, I’d have the guys below definitely ahead of Simmons: Giannis LeBron AD KD Curry Harden Westbrook Paul George Embiid Kawhi KAT Kyrie Jokic After that group, next tier arguably starts with Dame Lillard, but I think Simmons is in that discussion Well you just named 13 players and I'd also take Griffin, LMA, and Gobert above him for sure. Then I'd also put Lillard, Kemba, Jrue, Oladipo above him. And then he's in the conversation with Beal, DeMar, Booker, Klay, Dray, Butler, Lowry. The highest I'd go is like 21 but I might go as low as 30. Griffin and LMA for injury history and age respectively I wouldn’t have above Simmons; Gobert I think can be schemed too easily off the floor that it’s hard to argue him as top 15. Lillard I agree is above him, and maybeeee Klay too, but the rest of those guys I think there’s good debate all around that Simmons is at the top of that group. However, I don’t think the gap between Simmons and this group of players is as big as the gap between him and AD— if Philly were to roll the dice on a deal like that, I think they clearly win that deal
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 28, 2019 17:56:03 GMT
It'd be so hilarious if Dell Demps is allowed to make this trade after he screwed up the CP3 trade twice and wasted a generational talent.
Pelicans need to clean house, trade everyone and fire the management and coach (ideally get a new owner too but probably not possible)
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 28, 2019 18:01:26 GMT
It'd be so hilarious if Dell Demps is allowed to make this trade after he screwed up the CP3 trade twice and wasted a generational talent. Pelicans need to clean house, trade everyone and fire the management and coach (ideally get a new owner too but probably not possible) They would've done ok last year if Boogie didn't get injured, although they'd still run into the Warriors in the 2nd Round. AD only made the playoffs twice in his 7 year career so far!
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 28, 2019 18:10:17 GMT
AD only made the playoffs twice in his 7 year career so far! Its staggering how incompetent Dell Demps has been. That should be impossible. Even Kevin McHale or David Kahn might've done a better job
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 28, 2019 18:10:19 GMT
I do think the Lakers will have to give up the house to get AD just because their young talent is no where near Boston's. Kuzma, Ball, Ingram, a pick and hell I would ask for Zubac as well.
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Post by Jerry West on Jan 28, 2019 18:13:39 GMT
I do think the Lakers will have to give up the house to get AD just because their young talent is no where near Boston's. Kuzma, Ball, Ingram, a pick and hell I would ask for Zubac as well. Lonzo, Ingram, Kuzma, Randle, Zubac. Kinda feel like I've seen this lineup before.
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Post by George Gervin on Jan 28, 2019 18:15:01 GMT
This is the long shot of all deals, but if the Nuggets built an offer around Murray, Millsap, and MPJr, would NOP turn that down? The Brow with Jokic and Gary Harris? Now THAT is an intriguing group
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