Glenn Robinson
Milwaukee Bucks
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Mar 2, 2024 5:20:47 GMT
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Post by Glenn Robinson on May 9, 2021 14:19:17 GMT
I always put my balls where my mouth is.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 11, 2021 23:21:19 GMT
I am quite enjoying the race for #5. Although, I will not complain staying at #7.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 12, 2021 6:31:43 GMT
Missing THT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 13, 2021 0:22:04 GMT
Play-in is helping real life get more competitive.
It seems like Play-in will not do the same effect here in D5.
And nobody wants to recognize the problem.
#KeepDoingItBoys!
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 14, 2021 0:47:45 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 14, 2021 22:18:28 GMT
Congrats Larry.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 17, 2021 22:42:28 GMT
23rd pick. Nice.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 18, 2021 22:12:44 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 18, 2021 22:16:40 GMT
Nobody is blinking. Awesome race.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 18, 2021 22:44:46 GMT
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Post by Alex English on May 19, 2021 2:02:12 GMT
We're going to have the play in tournament in D5 too.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 19, 2021 3:18:44 GMT
We're going to have the play in tournament in D5 too. And we will fool ourselves into believing that it will have the same effect just like IRL? If that is what the D5 world wants to do, I cannot do anything about that. I will simply say... #KeepTanking.
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Post by Alex English on May 19, 2021 3:43:42 GMT
And we will fool ourselves into believing that it will have the same effect just like IRL? If that is what the D5 world wants to do, I cannot do anything about that. I will simply say... #KeepTanking. Now you're just moving the goalposts. I don't think our play-in tournament was done for any other reason but to match what the NBA was doing. Nobody is trying to fool anybody. Also, what affect will it have in the NBA? There was some pretty obvious tanking going on this year. The play-in tournament might make some late season games more meaningful, but that doesn't mean it's going to change the overall goals of bad teams. Teams will continue to tank in the NBA, and D5, so long as there is any kind of reverse order draft.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 19, 2021 8:35:43 GMT
And we will fool ourselves into believing that it will have the same effect just like IRL? If that is what the D5 world wants to do, I cannot do anything about that. I will simply say... #KeepTanking. Now you're just moving the goalposts. I don't think our play-in tournament was done for any other reason but to match what the NBA was doing. Nobody is trying to fool anybody. Also, what affect will it have in the NBA? There was some pretty obvious tanking going on this year. The play-in tournament might make some late season games more meaningful, but that doesn't mean it's going to change the overall goals of bad teams. Teams will continue to tank in the NBA, and D5, so long as there is any kind of reverse order draft. Count the number of pretty obvious tanking then IRL and compare it to D5. Then, count the number of super tanking, last 10 years, that happened in D5, then compared it IRL. That is where the problem lies. Now, if we do not want to take a shot against it, then fine. And let me finish it again with this... #KeepTanking (to be more specific, this is for the teams who are tanking for the 3rd straight season and longer)
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Post by Ian Noble on May 19, 2021 9:22:16 GMT
Utterly batshit crazy idea I just had, that we're 100% not going to do, but imagine the 14 teams who didn't make the playoffs entering their own playoffs in which the winner got the #1 pick, the runner-up got #2 etc.
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Sure the best of the bad teams gets top pick, but tanking disappears.
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Post by George Gervin on May 19, 2021 11:21:29 GMT
Now you're just moving the goalposts. I don't think our play-in tournament was done for any other reason but to match what the NBA was doing. Nobody is trying to fool anybody. Also, what affect will it have in the NBA? There was some pretty obvious tanking going on this year. The play-in tournament might make some late season games more meaningful, but that doesn't mean it's going to change the overall goals of bad teams. Teams will continue to tank in the NBA, and D5, so long as there is any kind of reverse order draft. Count the number of pretty obvious tanking then IRL and compare it to D5. Then, count the number of super tanking, last 10 years, that happened in D5, then compared it IRL. That is where the problem lies. Now, if we do not want to take a shot against it, then fine. And let me finish it again with this... #KeepTanking (to be more specific, this is for the teams who are tanking for the 3rd straight season and longer) By your metric, if we go back to the 2016/17 D5 season, there’s really just three teams that genuinely meet that criteria: LAC, DET, and WAS. PHX doesn’t meet that threshold as they did make real playoff pushes in two of those five years, partially to prevent picks they’d traded from being better for the teams that held them, but let’s break it down logically… ….the Clippers didn’t have 2 of 5 first rounders of theirs in that range, with one of those becoming the Luka Doncic selection, the other forcing them to trade RJ Barrett to grab LaMelo Ball. The Clippers traded those selections well before they were made when they were still a Western Conference regular playoff participant. Even in the Luka year, they were 1 GB of the 8 seed in the West with a winning record to boot— certainly not the makeup of a serial tanker. They went for it, they missed, and witnessed bad lotto luck for them. So the idea they’re a “super tanker” is a bit of a fallacy. …the Pistons actively gutted their roster— which wasn’t particularly competitive— to try to accumulate several high level players in consecutive years. They’ve been pretty successful in that regard, adding core pieces at every position by draft (Ayton, White, Edwards, Johnson) and trade (Sabonis), with this year showing a real upward trajectory in a competitive Eastern Conference. Further maturation by that core, and you’re looking at a team that should regularly compete. Did they have to be bad longer than they wanted? Probably, but guess what— it worked out, and they’re in the lotto this year not because they suck but the East is a bloodbath. Your own team would be 2nd in the West, which just highlights the strength of the East. …which leaves the last team, the Wizards. This team legitimately has zero excuses for their position save for one: injuries. They’ve lost key players at inopportune times over the years— Isaac, Russell, Dragic, etc.— and excluding their trade for Bam Adebayo, their inactivity and apathy towards actively aiding their team is well documented. They’ve also made egregious roster management choices— signing Dwight Powell to a huge deal for a player his caliber, or doing a 7 for 1 trade in 2018 that saw them deal Trae Young’s draft rights for Thon Maker and a bunch of 2nds— that handicapped their improvement. This year they’re on track for a SEVENTH STRAIGHT YEAR in the lottery, with all but one of those years in the bottom 10 records for D5. So of the teams you love to denigrate, realistically just one (WAS) actually fits your criteria, and as far as I can tell, you’ve offered no solution as to how to rectify a situation like theirs. Should the GM be replaced? Picks forfeited? Trades or other activity forced upon them to improve?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 19, 2021 15:20:17 GMT
Count the number of pretty obvious tanking then IRL and compare it to D5. Then, count the number of super tanking, last 10 years, that happened in D5, then compared it IRL. That is where the problem lies. Now, if we do not want to take a shot against it, then fine. And let me finish it again with this... #KeepTanking (to be more specific, this is for the teams who are tanking for the 3rd straight season and longer) By your metric, if we go back to the 2016/17 D5 season, there’s really just three teams that genuinely meet that criteria: LAC, DET, and WAS. PHX doesn’t meet that threshold as they did make real playoff pushes in two of those five years, partially to prevent picks they’d traded from being better for the teams that held them, but let’s break it down logically… ….the Clippers didn’t have 2 of 5 first rounders of theirs in that range, with one of those becoming the Luka Doncic selection, the other forcing them to trade RJ Barrett to grab LaMelo Ball. The Clippers traded those selections well before they were made when they were still a Western Conference regular playoff participant. Even in the Luka year, they were 1 GB of the 8 seed in the West with a winning record to boot— certainly not the makeup of a serial tanker. They went for it, they missed, and witnessed bad lotto luck for them. So the idea they’re a “super tanker” is a bit of a fallacy. …the Pistons actively gutted their roster— which wasn’t particularly competitive— to try to accumulate several high level players in consecutive years. They’ve been pretty successful in that regard, adding core pieces at every position by draft (Ayton, White, Edwards, Johnson) and trade (Sabonis), with this year showing a real upward trajectory in a competitive Eastern Conference. Further maturation by that core, and you’re looking at a team that should regularly compete. Did they have to be bad longer than they wanted? Probably, but guess what— it worked out, and they’re in the lotto this year not because they suck but the East is a bloodbath. Your own team would be 2nd in the West, which just highlights the strength of the East. …which leaves the last team, the Wizards. This team legitimately has zero excuses for their position save for one: injuries. They’ve lost key players at inopportune times over the years— Isaac, Russell, Dragic, etc.— and excluding their trade for Bam Adebayo, their inactivity and apathy towards actively aiding their team is well documented. They’ve also made egregious roster management choices— signing Dwight Powell to a huge deal for a player his caliber, or doing a 7 for 1 trade in 2018 that saw them deal Trae Young’s draft rights for Thon Maker and a bunch of 2nds— that handicapped their improvement. This year they’re on track for a SEVENTH STRAIGHT YEAR in the lottery, with all but one of those years in the bottom 10 records for D5. So of the teams you love to denigrate, realistically just one (WAS) actually fits your criteria, and as far as I can tell, you’ve offered no solution as to how to rectify a situation like theirs. Should the GM be replaced? Picks forfeited? Trades or other activity forced upon them to improve? First, it seems you are implying that injuries are actually as not as good as excuse for losing in comparison to gutting out your roster (first step to tanking) and not having your picks. Injuries is actually the thing that is not controlled by the GM itself. Trading picks and gutting it out, are decisions of the GM. Second, I set a general criteria without parameters, so who gave you the right to conclude that LAC and DET are not under it? Of course, you will feel justified as the others who think that I am wrong will surely like your posts. Congrats. I am kinda getting tired of this. Okay. I am sorry to all the tankers out there. I apologize. You are not or you did not do anything unrealistic. What you did happen in real life. D5 should never look at it as a problem. Actually, teams who never tanked should be penalize!! That should not happen! Every team should tank! There should only be around 4 teams giving all their best to win the championship and 26 teams going all out for that #1 pick!
Shame on those who are not tanking, for not following the footsteps of realism. Shame on them for not even trying the sweetness of tanking. And most of all, shame on ME for even talking bad against it.
So, I am really sorry. I am sorry Ian Noble if I ever challenge your vision of this league. I was out of line. I should have never attacked something that is so realistic. It was a big mistake.
To all the tankers out there, I am begging your apology. No worries, ain't gonna talk about it already.
So please, from the bottom of my heart.
keep tanking.
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Post by Ian Noble on May 19, 2021 18:24:02 GMT
This is such a weird thread.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 14, 2021 23:41:32 GMT
Matisse.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 17, 2021 12:21:42 GMT
Tomorrow, I "win".
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 17, 2021 14:03:42 GMT
Tic toc. Tic toc. Tic toc.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 17, 2021 21:59:11 GMT
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Post by George Gervin on Jun 18, 2021 2:42:50 GMT
Tic toc. Tic toc. Tic toc. Cool that you added a Zion exit counter to this thread— as his family says, he needs a big market 😎
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 18, 2021 3:51:07 GMT
BU
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 18, 2021 22:38:31 GMT
TT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 19, 2021 22:48:22 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 21, 2021 8:36:18 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 21, 2021 9:06:46 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 21, 2021 9:39:50 GMT
(ERASED)
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 23, 2021 11:20:18 GMT
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