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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 4, 2022 11:36:22 GMT
LOL. It is not about the free agency.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 4, 2022 11:42:08 GMT
Nah... It is not specific about that trade.
It is about the playoffs.
And yeah. I am implying that.
Yep. Even without Zion, that is what I meant.
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Post by Jerry West on May 5, 2022 16:45:40 GMT
Everyone thought we are tanking for Zion? #Foolish 4 Dimensional chess player right here
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 7, 2022 3:53:01 GMT
I just had a dream.
A man riding a horse went to this big town. A shoe seller was the one who first approached him and gave him a piece of paper.
The man then went straight to the building where the merchants are selling and exchanging items and he searched for the king of that place. He entered the office of that King and in less than a minute, he left. People found the body of that King, dead.
The man then return to the shoe seller and grabbed a shoe and fed it to the shoe seller until the seller choke and died.
Then, when the man was about to leave, a parade was starting wherein a guy being carried by men was being praised as incorruptible and all-knowing. The man then grab a stone, and quickly approached the guy being paraded to strike him and he also died. The whole town went uproar and the man run, destroying a bust of that guy being paraded, with a title "the founder".
Riding his horse, the man manage to get out of town, and there he met a snake.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 8, 2022 21:56:58 GMT
If there is a Best TC award, I will give it to Ian and it is not even close. It is so lopsided that the others will not be even be mentioned as candidates.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 10:47:22 GMT
The level of my hate for teams suffering for being unjustly construed as not loyal is in the same level of my hate if teams who are loyal will not be rewarded.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 10:49:36 GMT
Did I read that right?
Someone just explained being loyal by explaining a scenario where he clearly describes a disloyal behavior. LOL
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 10:59:29 GMT
Detroit will win the chip, no contest? xD
That was a good joke.
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 11:00:58 GMT
No you didn't read that right lol. Clearly I'm the only one who thinks there's a huge difference between trading players around vs trading players that signed with you, particularly star players.
So I'll just leave it be. Idk how many times I have to say it's clearly different but I'm getting obvious push back about that.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 11:04:12 GMT
No you didn't read that right lol. Clearly I'm the only one who thinks there's a huge difference between trading players around vs trading players that signed with you, particularly star players. So I'll just leave it be. Idk how many times I have to say it's clearly different but I'm getting obvious push back about that. Tell me where is the mistake in my statement. Is trading guys in your teams like they are toys not a good example of being disloyal?
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 11:05:41 GMT
Whataboutism
I guess I have to say it again - clear difference between trading players and trading star players that chose to sign with you. Clear distinction and to argue there isn't is just nonsense.
But I guess you have a history of doing that too so I guess this makes sense
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 11:08:25 GMT
I have a question, you are suppose to answer my smart friend. If you are really an individual with a high level of intellect we should be able to reach a ground where we either find a clear point of disagreement or someone's argument will be grounded as wrong.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 11:09:58 GMT
Whataboutism I guess I have to say it again - clear difference between trading players and trading star players that chose to sign with you. Clear distinction and to argue there isn't is just nonsense. But I guess you have a history of doing that too so I guess this makes sense Am I made to understand that you believe that the loyalty argument should not be used for players who are traded to a team?
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 11:10:39 GMT
That's the neat part, I'm not
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 11:14:36 GMT
Whataboutism I guess I have to say it again - clear difference between trading players and trading star players that chose to sign with you. Clear distinction and to argue there isn't is just nonsense. But I guess you have a history of doing that too so I guess this makes sense Am I made to understand that you believe that the loyalty argument should not be used for players who are traded to a team? Trading players who specifically signed with you, ESPECIALLY star players who chose your team over other teams, is very different from trading role players who did not sign with your team of their own free will. Yes. I do believe that is extremely different. When negotiating to lure in a free agent one uses tactics and presents a plan to sell that player on THEIR team. To then betray that player by trading them is clearly far different than trading for players under contract and then trading them again. That player had a choice and chose you when they didn't have to. Contrasted to players you trade for and then trade again, it's an apples and oranges comparison. I don't see how this is a hot or controversial take
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 11:20:43 GMT
Am I made to understand that you believe that the loyalty argument should not be used for players who are traded to a team? Trading players who specifically signed with you, ESPECIALLY star players who chose your team over other teams, is very different from trading role players who did not sign with your team of their own free will. Yes. I do believe that is extremely different. When negotiating to lure in a free agent one uses tactics and presents a plan to sell that player on THEIR team. To then betray that player by trading them is clearly far different than trading for players under contract and then trading them again. That player had a choice and chose you when they didn't have to. Contrasted to players you trade for and then trade again, it's an apples and oranges comparison. I don't see how this is a hot or controversial take I understand the argument. Now, let us move some steps further. Wait. I just want to make sure that we covered everything on this level. You apply the same thought process whether it is a newly signed player or a re-signed player, right? Like, the moment you re-signed a player that you traded for, it is now under the scope of your argument.
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 11:28:03 GMT
Hana I'm not going to do this with you. If you want to try to trap me in some word twisting trap to point out hypocrisy then please waste your time and just go ahead and do it.
I think I've been pretty clear.
In my opinion:
- trading role players & - trading players under contract
Is much different than:
- trading star players who signed with your team
Context matters and I'm not going to play your political word twisting game in some pseudo intellectual gotcha debate.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 11:33:34 GMT
Hana I'm not going to do this with you. If you want to try to trap me in some word twisting trap to point out hypocrisy then please waste your time and just go ahead and do it. I think I've been pretty clear. In my opinion: - trading role players & - trading players under contract Is much different than: - trading star players who signed with your team Context matters and I'm not going to play your political word twisting game in some pseudo intellectual gotcha debate. Come on man. My questions are not even that complicated. I am allowing you to build up your argument so that people here will understand. Now, you are saying that it is "pretty clear" when you cannot even answer a clear question? "Context" matters, yes. But we can use that once we cover all the parameters of your argument. Your refusal to do so, indicates that there is a chance that you have realize the flaws of your argument and you do not want it to be revealed.
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 11:40:56 GMT
There is no flaw in my statement lol. In my opinion trading star players who signed with your team is different than trading broadly
How many times do I need to say this
It's okay if you don't share that belief. That's the beauty of opinions.
Have a good day dude
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 12:09:30 GMT
There is no flaw in my statement lol. In my opinion trading star players who signed with your team is different than trading broadly How many times do I need to say this It's okay if you don't share that belief. That's the beauty of opinions. Have a good day dude Just because it is your opinion, it doesn't mean that it is flawless. Opinions can be wrong too. And using that defense as your final statement is a clear indication that you may have found a problem with your "opinion" and you are afraid that people will find it because you do not have the moral aptitude to admit being wrong. P.S. I hope you will live by, by your third paragraph from now on. Have a good day too.
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 9, 2022 12:44:53 GMT
Can you just cut to the chase and twist my narrative to point out how I'm wrong instead of playing these games?
Is it because I traded Kemba Walker?
Trading Kemba Walker is extremely different than trading Kawhi Leonard after poaching him from a different team.
If you think it's the same then so be it. I disagree that it's the same. It doesn't make my opinion flawed when my opinion from the beginning has been that trading star players is different.
No moral aptitude to admit when I'm wrong? Lol ok man. My first reply in this thread I literally said I seem to be alone in this opinion so it is what it is. I've grown so tired of arguments and yet I keep allowing myself to be sucked back in and I don't know why I do it to myself.
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May 9, 2022 23:24:18 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 23:24:18 GMT
Can you just cut to the chase and twist my narrative to point out how I'm wrong instead of playing these games? Is it because I traded Kemba Walker? Trading Kemba Walker is extremely different than trading Kawhi Leonard after poaching him from a different team. If you think it's the same then so be it. I disagree that it's the same. It doesn't make my opinion flawed when my opinion from the beginning has been that trading star players is different. No moral aptitude to admit when I'm wrong? Lol ok man. My first reply in this thread I literally said I seem to be alone in this opinion so it is what it is. I've grown so tired of arguments and yet I keep allowing myself to be sucked back in and I don't know why I do it to myself. I apologize for the late reply. Our country just had a bad day, yesterday. Going back, I haven't twisted any of your argument and I do not plan to twist anything. And, if your argument can be twisted and you cannot twist it back, it speaks a lot about how flawed an argument is. Admitting being alone in your opinion is not the same as admitting that you are wrong. They keep on attacking your argument because you have failed to establish it and defend it. And again, those are signs that it is flawed.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 9, 2022 23:29:02 GMT
April 8, April 12
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 10, 2022 1:44:13 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 10, 2022 22:56:54 GMT
Imagine getting the 2nd biggest apple in the tree when all of your friends went and exchanged for big ladders.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 12, 2022 23:12:55 GMT
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 16, 2022 22:08:31 GMT
Congrats Chauncey.
Hey James.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 17, 2022 2:19:52 GMT
You want the 3rd seed?
Fine with me.
Defeating the B franchises will be fun. I just hope you will be there in the Conference Finals.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 17, 2022 4:49:02 GMT
May 28?
I will be there if I am already done with Miami or Brooklyn.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 17, 2022 17:54:13 GMT
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