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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 18, 2018 0:12:29 GMT
 10 Years. 1 Decade. Jordan will always be grateful for his time with the Clippers. But, the time has come for him to play for another franchise that provided enough to satisfy our client. We are happy to announce that Jordan does not need to change address as he signs the following contract with the Los Angeles Lakers. 2019: 19,995,800.00
2020: 18,496,115.00
2021: 17,112,625.00 (TO)
TOTAL GUARANTEED: 38,491,915.00We want to thank all the GMs of the four franchises who negotiated with our client. It basically boils down to Lakers offering a good contract, the promised to build around him and DJ's fit to the current crop of Lakers.
THE FACTORS(35) Familiarity/Affection - After some research and with the similarity of the real life DJ and D5 DJ situation, it was pretty obvious to us that this will be biggest factor in his decision. Who valued him the most? (20) Team Fit - After being a starter and playing in the playoffs for the majority of his career, DJ's pride to show that he is still one of the top centers in the league is there. So, we need to find the right team for him. (15) Presentation - Technicalities, fluency and validity of the presentation. ( 15) Money( 15) SuccessFull disclosure: When we start to consumate the decision, we do not have any team in mind that will win the signature of DJ and tackled it factor by factor.
DECISION PROCESS
| Weight | Factor | Clippers | Indiana | Memphis | Lakers | | 35 | Familiarity/Affection
| 18 | 17 | 18 | 15 | | 20 | Team Fit
| 13 | 17 | 14 | 19 | | 15 | Presentation
| 10 | 12 | 9 | 9 | | 15 | Money
| 15 | 1 | 4 | 13 | | 15 | Success
| 4 | 10 | 15 | 10 |
| TOTAL | 60 | 57 | 60 | 65 |
Familiarity/Affection - DJ's dream was a team who made him the #1 priority for their franchise. That did not happen. The closest was Clippers but his plan is kinda unique because it doesn't involve having DJ. Memphis and Indiana offered at the same hour. Indiana will get the upper hand because they offered the most guaranteed years, showing confidence in his ability. Unfortunately, our client was not happy that they also used MLE to lure another player. The Lakers promised to build around DJ and offered the most guaranteed money in the first two years. Unfortunately, they are the last one to make an offer and the TO was a big negative too. If you notice, the scores in this one are very low. Kindly go back to DJ's dream of getting at least full max in the first 2 years, starting position and getting that offer in the first day of free-agency. Team Fit - This was the biggest downer for Memphis. The plan of Clippers was interesting. The team that will trade for him will not do that if DJ will not help them. The problem was, we will not be in control. Lakers and Indiana explained the fit of DJ and we do agree but the presence of young promising bigs in Indiana provided the upper hand to Lakers. We do recognize that Memphis will be heavily featured as a 6th man. Presentation - Clippers offered first and was honest all throughout the process but they made several changes during the negotiation. Indiana was clear all throughout the process and provided some information about the things that they are trying to do. Lakers was the last one to offer but his presentation was the best in general. He dissected a lot of aspects, including the conference situation. The TO was a big negative though because of realism. Money - Clippers offered the most. Lakers offered the 2nd best. Memphis offered a one year contract around 8 million. Success - Memphis has the clearest path to success. I think the other three aspiring teams are not that close. The attractiveness of LAL does help.
REAL LIFE EVIDENCE “They were talking about trading me for three years, so I don’t really care about it anymore,” Jordan said. “If it happens, it happens.
“I just want to be somewhere I’m wanted. If it’s here, it’s here. If it’s not, then, hey, it’s a business.”
Do you feel wanted by the Clippers?
Jordan looked around for nine seconds before answering.
“What do you think?” he said.
I contemplated for a moment then answered honestly: “I don’t know.”
“Me neither,” Jordan replied immediately.
“Multiple executives and agents think DeAndre Jordan’s decision might depend more on where he wants to play than the money he can make,” wrote O’Connor. “Jordan said on February 9 that he wants to be somewhere he’s wanted, and he doesn’t know whether that can be said about the Clippers. Still, you need to be careful about the emotional roller coaster players experience ahead of free agency. Jordan might not have been happy to have been shopped in January and February, but things can change by June.” |
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 18, 2018 0:41:31 GMT
Good signing. MKes the most sense out of the teams bidding.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 18, 2018 0:47:03 GMT
Are you punishing the D5 Clippers for the actions of the real life Clippers?
It's hard to tell but that's what all of the real life evidence quotes imply to me.
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Post by Mark Price on Jul 18, 2018 1:28:25 GMT
It's a big day for the Lakers! We are so happy to bring DJ into the fold. I believe that we are building something good here in Los Angeles.
#HesNotLeBronButHesPrettyDamnClose
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 18, 2018 1:30:34 GMT
lol Jeremiah was gonna try running 3 83+ centers
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Post by Larry Bird on Jul 18, 2018 1:41:13 GMT
Position less basketball, right? ...
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 18, 2018 1:58:11 GMT
This is the first signing I've missed out on because of waiting on another signing. I was gonna offer De'Andre basically the same contract he got from the Mavericks IRL to play backup.
I'm pretty sure I would have got him for that.
Can we hurry it up with Porter please.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 18, 2018 2:02:20 GMT
I truly think I'm being sapped of my ability to be a player in free agency as other players from my only position of need are signed off and random other depth guys that I just like while I wait on a decision. We really need to consider what order players sign in and what's realistic.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 18, 2018 2:02:24 GMT
This is the first signing I've missed out on because of waiting on another signing. I was gonna offer De'Andre basically the same contract he got from the Mavericks IRL to play backup. I'm pretty sure I would have got him for that. Can we hurry it up with Porter please. Bro why would DJ wanna be a backup on a crowded front court team |
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Post by James Kay on Jul 18, 2018 2:02:31 GMT
I'll start by saying that I'm not even necessarily against DeAndre leaving the Clippers. But this decision highlights the absurdity of trying to make a subjective process an objective one.
DeAndre is equally familiar with the Clippers and the Grizzlies? He's equally familiar with the team he's spent his entire career with and a team that he's never played for ?
DeAndre is a better fit with the Grizzlies than the Clippers? The team with two centers. DeAndre is a better fit with the team with two star centers than with the team where he's been the starter at center for his whole career ? He's a better fit with the Pacers than the Clippers? The team with Vala starting at center and two young center prospects in Jarrett Allen and WCS ?
Seems like you really shafted the Clippers on this decision process, according to your own numbers at least. They just don't make any sense. What's more is when you actually break down the factors in your explanation section, you seem to favor the Clippers in ever section!
Familiarity/Affection : "The closest was Clippers?"
Team Fit : "This was the biggest downer for Memphis. The plan of Clippers was interesting. " Yet Memphis is scored higher than Clippers?
Presentation : "Clippers offered first and was honest all throughout the process but they made several changes during the negotiation." You said DeAndre's dream was "getting that offer in the first day of free-agency." You also said "Clippers offered the most." So the Clippers were the first to offer, and they offered the most.
Again, not really opposed to DeAndre leaving LAC. But this decision explanation is absolutely nonsensical and contradictory. Free Agency decisions are inherently subjective interpretations of what a player would do, all you've really done is justify the decision through a much more complicated process.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 18, 2018 2:05:06 GMT
I'll start by saying that I'm not even necessarily against DeAndre leaving the Clippers. But this decision highlights the absurdity of trying to make a subjective process an objective one. DeAndre is equally familiar with the Clippers and the Grizzlies? He's equally familiar with the team he's spent his entire career with and a team that he's never played for ? DeAndre is a better fit with the Grizzlies than the Clippers? The team with two centers. DeAndre is a better fit with the team with two star centers than with the team where he's been the starter at center for his whole career ? He's a better fit with the Pacers than the Clippers? The team with Vala starting at center and two young center prospects in Jarrett Allen and WCS ? Seems like you really shafted the Clippers on this decision process, according to your own numbers at least. They just don't make any sense. What's more is when you actually break down the factors in your explanation section, you seem to favor the Clippers in ever section! Familiarity/Affection : "The closest was Clippers?" Team Fit : "This was the biggest downer for Memphis. The plan of Clippers was interesting. " Yet Memphis is scored higher than Clippers? Presentation : "Clippers offered first and was honest all throughout the process but they made several changes during the negotiation." You said DeAndre's dream was "getting that offer in the first day of free-agency." You also said "Clippers offered the most." So the Clippers were the first to offer, and they offered the most. Again, not really opposed to DeAndre leaving LAC. But this decision explanation is absolutely nonsensical and contradictory. Free Agency decisions are inherently subjective interpretations of what a player would do, all you've really done is justify the decision through a much more complicated process. I agree 100% those are just made up numbers lmao. I don't mind DJ to LAL I could see that happening if this was real life. I would have chose LAC however. Memphis would be my last choice due to the star center log jam |
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Post by Alex English on Jul 18, 2018 2:16:21 GMT
Yeah I tried to make sense of that scoring table but gave up pretty quickly. Those numbers are clearly just pulled out of thin air. This could be a fine signing, I have no idea what the offers and negotiations looked like, but it does look a bit silly. It's just begging to be picked apart and criticized.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 18, 2018 2:28:28 GMT
I'll start by saying that I'm not even necessarily against DeAndre leaving the Clippers. But this decision highlights the absurdity of trying to make a subjective process an objective one. DeAndre is equally familiar with the Clippers and the Grizzlies? He's equally familiar with the team he's spent his entire career with and a team that he's never played for ? DeAndre is a better fit with the Grizzlies than the Clippers? The team with two centers. DeAndre is a better fit with the team with two star centers than with the team where he's been the starter at center for his whole career ? He's a better fit with the Pacers than the Clippers? The team with Vala starting at center and two young center prospects in Jarrett Allen and WCS ? Seems like you really shafted the Clippers on this decision process, according to your own numbers at least. They just don't make any sense. What's more is when you actually break down the factors in your explanation section, you seem to favor the Clippers in ever section! Familiarity/Affection : "The closest was Clippers?" Team Fit : "This was the biggest downer for Memphis. The plan of Clippers was interesting. " Yet Memphis is scored higher than Clippers? Presentation : "Clippers offered first and was honest all throughout the process but they made several changes during the negotiation." You said DeAndre's dream was "getting that offer in the first day of free-agency." You also said "Clippers offered the most." So the Clippers were the first to offer, and they offered the most. Again, not really opposed to DeAndre leaving LAC. But this decision explanation is absolutely nonsensical and contradictory. Free Agency decisions are inherently subjective interpretations of what a player would do, all you've really done is justify the decision through a much more complicated process. Scoring LAC is hard because DJ was not part of their plan. I hope you get what I mean. This is an easy LAC re-sign if DJ was part of their paln We don't want to reveal everything about the negotiation in respect with those who offered and for the sake of fairplay. |
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 18, 2018 2:30:40 GMT
I hope the "DJ was not part of their plan" part will be enough to understand what happened with LAC.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 18, 2018 2:34:52 GMT
I hope the "DJ was not part of their plan" part will be enough to understand what happened with LAC. Lac didn't want him ? |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 18, 2018 2:43:19 GMT
This is the first signing I've missed out on because of waiting on another signing. I was gonna offer De'Andre basically the same contract he got from the Mavericks IRL to play backup. I'm pretty sure I would have got him for that. Can we hurry it up with Porter please. Bro why would DJ wanna be a backup on a crowded front court team My argument was essentially hey I'm probably offering more money, next year the big man crop is weak and he can get a good contract, plus, is there ANY team capable of taking on a 3 man 84+ big rotation? |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 18, 2018 2:43:21 GMT
I hope the "DJ was not part of their plan" part will be enough to understand what happened with LAC. Lac didn't want him ? Seems clear he wanted to sign him in order to trade him. Which...I'm not sure isn't the case for the Lakers though that's just a gut feeling on my end. Lakers don't have their pick this year, so he signs some solid players so his pick isn't so valuable. DeAndre is only guaranteed 2 years, so, next year he is easier to trade as basically an expiring or fairly-friendly contract and a really good center behind that contract. It's a great signing for Mark, but I'm not sure it was the right choice, all things considered. |
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Post by Larry Bird on Jul 18, 2018 2:52:02 GMT
My plan was to make DeAndre my starting center.
I had offered the full MLE for two years and a player option 3rd.
If I would have gotten Jordan, I would have tried to trade a couple of my other centers.
It was not until we didnt really receive any notice we would be signing Jordan that we moved on to signing Roberson, who we had also been targeting. That time period was about 2 hours.
DeAndre would have been our top player, and if he came to Indiana would have been treated so.
We just didnt have the money to pay out a contract like the Lakers.
Nice work on the signing Mark!
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 18, 2018 3:29:02 GMT
Seems clear he wanted to sign him in order to trade him. Which...I'm not sure isn't the case for the Lakers though that's just a gut feeling on my end. Lakers don't have their pick this year, so he signs some solid players so his pick isn't so valuable. DeAndre is only guaranteed 2 years, so, next year he is easier to trade as basically an expiring or fairly-friendly contract and a really good center behind that contract. It's a great signing for Mark, but I'm not sure it was the right choice, all things considered. I considered and weighed everything. Anything that I missed out? Assuming something and make it a big negative against a team is somewhat unfair, especially if you can assume the meat of it for everyone |
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 18, 2018 3:31:54 GMT
All I said was I'm not sure. Not saying it's wrong. If the team that signs him wants to trade him you think he'd let his longtime team get the benefit and not the crosstown foe...
But I don't know
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Post by Mark Price on Jul 18, 2018 4:13:26 GMT
All I said was I'm not sure. Not saying it's wrong. If the team that signs him wants to trade him you think he'd let his longtime team get the benefit and not the crosstown foe... But I don't know I have no plans of trading him. My goal is to build around this core for the life of the contract. A fire sale is unlikely considering I don't have my pick two of the next three years. Things would have to be going really bad for me to ever consider something like that. |
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 18, 2018 4:17:33 GMT
All I said was I'm not sure. Not saying it's wrong. If the team that signs him wants to trade him you think he'd let his longtime team get the benefit and not the crosstown foe... But I don't know I have no plans of trading him. My goal is to build around this core for the life of the contract. A fire sale is unlikely considering I don't have my pick two of the next three years. Things would have to be going really bad for me to ever consider something like that. I'm hoping it does haha - the owner of your 2021 1st |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 18, 2018 5:08:47 GMT
Guess he shouldn’t have opted out.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 18, 2018 10:15:40 GMT
Did he sign forcless than his op out? Makes no sense if he did.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 18, 2018 10:35:16 GMT
Mark PriceMike KrzyzewskiHanamichi SakuragiThis might be the first time ever that I cancel a free agent signing and at least take it to committee, which should be the default for all big name signings that might leave their teams. I'm at work right now and will get back to this as soon as I can.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 18, 2018 11:42:51 GMT
Not the first time DeAndre has pulled this. Coach K frantically driving around LA.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 18, 2018 12:28:54 GMT
Mark PriceLarry BirdJeremiah HillMike KrzyzewskiI apologize for the inconvenience. I am pretty sure I never disobeyed any rules but the Commissioner has decided so I will respect it. Just want to say that the decision above was my fairest dissection of everything that was put into the table. I treated each of your offers equally and look at every angles that needed attention. Just want to respond regarding the PO decline. That was a sunk cost. The market dictated his value. Although we can try to be patient and maybe wait for a 1 year max and try next year, the risks is just too great. The arrival of the 2018 elite rookie bigs and the chance that Markannen, Turner, Adebayo, Allen, Randle and Bell will take one or two of the 30 starting C spots will tighten the market for centers. That was our thought process in treating that PO decline as a sunk cost.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 18, 2018 13:24:49 GMT
Can I ask if you told anyone that you wanted at least his PO amount? I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't take it on a 2-3 year deal.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 18, 2018 13:28:38 GMT
I didn't think De'Andre should decline that PO. But that wasn't until I saw he got a 1 year deal from the Mavs IRL.
He fucked up in D5 is my explanation. I legit thought he'd get a massive offer here.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 18, 2018 13:43:48 GMT
Can I ask if you told anyone that you wanted at least his PO amount? I find it hard to believe someone wouldn't take it on a 2-3 year deal. I did not, but you can ask the four GMs and they will tell you that I communicated about his unhappiness with the money that we were receiving. We tried to take more from Price. Memphis was willing to give a 1-year max but we need to wait for the others. IND is limited by the MLE and even though LAC can offer it, there are other complications like the hard cap. Now, before we go deep into that and make that the priority of this discussion, I will still insist that DJ was looking for a team that wants him, not a franchise can give him at least the PO decline money. |
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