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Post by Alex English on Jul 5, 2018 19:03:46 GMT
 Charlotte Hornets - Khris MiddletonKhris Middleton has agreed to re-sign with the Charlotte Hornets. The deal is worth $135,119,676 over 5 years. The final year is a player option. Year 1: $25,467,250 Year 2: $27,377,293 Year 3: $29,430,590 Year 4: $27,377,293 Year 5: $25,467,250Khris received many max contract offers including one team, the Boston Celtics, that gave him pause to consider making a change. In the end his history of success and commitment from the Hornets organization was too much to walk away from. He is excited to try and win another championship now with KD on board. The deal is structured to give maximum flexibility to Khris, while also trying to give something for the Hornets in terms of their own cap flexibility. The final two years of the contract decline to help the team handle the hard cap which will be in full effect by that point. The final year being a player option though gives him the choice to hit the market again after 10 years in the league, which will make him eligible for a 35% max contract. |
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 5, 2018 19:10:04 GMT
Not sure I agree that Khris should be taking a discount. The rich get richer.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2018 19:15:41 GMT
Why does he get a discount? That's ridiculous.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2018 19:16:06 GMT
Do we really have to do this every single year? Seriously he's BRs he can give him the max.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 5, 2018 19:28:41 GMT
He basically did get the max. The first three years are identical to a max deal. Then in the fourth he makes $27.4m instead of $31.6m. The fifth year is a player option, so if we get to that point and Middleton is worth more then he'll just opt out anyway.
The difference between this and the max he could have gotten is $4.2m. That's tiny. You guys can't honestly argue this is deal is unrealistic. If you all want to whip yourself up into a fury over $4.2 million though, then go for it. I'm not going to put in more energy defending this though.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 5, 2018 19:31:54 GMT
It's not a huge deal but still there's no reason for that discount. Middleton should be offended
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 5, 2018 19:35:46 GMT
Damn I thought I had a good chance with Khris about-to-average-9.0-ppg-because-the-Hornets-are-over-stacked Middleton, but I can also understand him wanting to return. Congrats James Kay.
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Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 5, 2018 19:47:12 GMT
I do think agents need to be conscious of every player signing 4-5 year deals. Would like to see more 1-2 year deals as there are in the NBA. Doesn't impact this at all, just stating what I believe should be taken into consideration.
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Post by Jerry West on Jul 5, 2018 19:55:33 GMT
I do think agents need to be conscious of every player signing 4-5 year deals. Would like to see more 1-2 year deals as there are in the NBA. Doesn't impact this at all, just stating what I believe should be taken into consideration. If I can can give my 2 cents I agree with Kevin Hollis, it would be more believable for him to take a 4 million paycut in just 2 years, because he would still be in his prime to try to get another BIG contract. In year 5 he might opt in because he will know his value isn't as high as it was before, which if we go and look in the run, he might actually be loosing more than 20 million dollars, if you project what his next contract would be. But to be fair, every year we see players taking paycuts to play on winning teams, and he being already part of that team, makes it even more believable, he could have developed friendships or doesn't want to move away from where he spent his last years living. My conclusion is, altough I don't believe it's totally realistic, it's not worth making a huge deal out of it. |
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Post by James Kay on Jul 5, 2018 20:00:48 GMT
He basically did get the max. The first three years are identical to a max deal. Then in the fourth he makes $27.4m instead of $31.6m. The fifth year is a player option, so if we get to that point and Middleton is worth more then he'll just opt out anyway. The difference between this and the max he could have gotten is $4.2m. That's tiny. You guys can't honestly argue this is deal is unrealistic. If you all want to whip yourself up into a fury over $4.2 million though, then go for it. I'm not going to put in more energy defending this though. That argument only works if you assume he gets another max that 5th year at 31 years old, which clearly he won’t. He’s probably given up $20 million here, depending on how his career goes. How has he given up $20 million? Who is paying him $20 million more than this? |
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Post by Jerry West on Jul 5, 2018 20:03:03 GMT
The 20 millions comes from the chances of someone paying him the max at 31 years of age, compared to someone offering him a max at 28. Specially with the cap increasing over the years.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 5, 2018 22:56:21 GMT
That's my bad I thought the max started at 27mil for some reason.
I will say that Khris is not an LBJ Durant caliber player who can no risk take 1+1 deals year after year. He for sure takes that extra money imo. But after rechecking max I'm fine with this.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jul 6, 2018 1:00:16 GMT
Trust the free market!
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 6, 2018 5:05:15 GMT
I do think agents need to be conscious of every player signing 4-5 year deals. Would like to see more 1-2 year deals as there are in the NBA. Doesn't impact this at all, just stating what I believe should be taken into consideration. What players, arguably, had 4-5 year deals on the table but turned them down for 1-2 year deals? One may be Boogie depending on who you listen to and believe. Another may be Durant. Beyond that? I don't think Rajon Rondo had a 4 year deal on the table. |
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jul 6, 2018 5:56:30 GMT
Damn I guess I have to do some research because in no way would I offer Middleton a max contract.
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Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 6, 2018 7:11:56 GMT
I do think agents need to be conscious of every player signing 4-5 year deals. Would like to see more 1-2 year deals as there are in the NBA. Doesn't impact this at all, just stating what I believe should be taken into consideration. What players, arguably, had 4-5 year deals on the table but turned them down for 1-2 year deals? One may be Boogie depending on who you listen to and believe. Another may be Durant. Beyond that? I don't think Rajon Rondo had a 4 year deal on the table Just saying there are a lot of 1-2 year deals and it rarely happens in d5. I understand that people offer more years etc etc. just stating what happens here. |
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 6, 2018 13:22:15 GMT
What players, arguably, had 4-5 year deals on the table but turned them down for 1-2 year deals? One may be Boogie depending on who you listen to and believe. Another may be Durant. Beyond that? I don't think Rajon Rondo had a 4 year deal on the table Just saying there are a lot of 1-2 year deals and it rarely happens in d5. I understand that people offer more years etc etc. just stating what happens here. I think part of it is that in real life you have certain CBA rules that allow you to get partial BRs and stuff. Here we only have the 3 year rule. |
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