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Post by Ian Noble on May 24, 2018 13:09:42 GMT
Jayson Tatum
Current: 80
Proposed: 85
Jaylen Brown
Current: 78
Proposed: 85
I'm posting threads for both Jayson and Jaylen because they've both been integral to the Celtics, who are now one win away from the Finals, every other team in the Conference Finals has multiple 86+ rated players whereas the Celtics highest rated is Al Horford (85). Both Jaylen and Jayson have the two highest Usage Rates on the Celtics during their excellent Playoff run, they are the two main go-to-guys (third highest usage is Rozer, 3.0%USG behind), and both of them would be starting even if Hayward and Kyrie were healthy.
Tatum / Brown Playoffs
18.4ppg (highest Celtic) / Scoring / 17.8ppg (2nd highest Celtic)
4.3rpg / Rebounding / 4.9rpg
2.9apg / Assists / 1.9apg
32.3% (but was 43.4% reg.season) / 3PT% / 41.1% (40% reg.season)
23.4% (2nd highest) / Usage / 24.4% (highest Celtic)
I think either way these guys need some love. Brad Stevens being a coaching genius kinda detracts from the fact these two guys are projected All Star careers. Also Tatum is doing it as a rookie to the extent that he's getting mentioned with Mitchell and Simmons now, and Jaylen is putting up those numbers despite being minutes-restricted for 5 games with injury (20.7ppg when healthy).
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Kevin Hollis
Former Thunder GM for 7 years
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Post by Kevin Hollis on May 24, 2018 13:12:37 GMT
Just to be clear - rating increases/decreases aren't done until the playoffs are over, right?? Also, I think the reasoning is kind of bonkers when comparing them to the other players in the conference finals (except Love, don't get me started). I do think they are good though.
Tatum = 82
Brown = 81
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Post by Ian Noble on May 24, 2018 14:01:42 GMT
Just to be clear - rating increases/decreases aren't done until the playoffs are over, right?? There's never been a rule about it, but if Walt gets the ratings done during the Playoffs I could just hold off implementing them until after the Playoffs. |
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Post by Ian Noble on May 24, 2018 14:53:15 GMT
Also - apologies for not making separate threads. I started to make separate threads for Tatum and Brown but all the stuff I was writing was almost exactly the same for both players, so I combined.
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Post by Jared Montini on May 24, 2018 16:16:05 GMT
There playing like 85s rn but I'd like to wait longer before giving them that rating
Brown 82.5
Taytum 82
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 24, 2018 16:56:15 GMT
Tatum: 82
Brown: 83
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on May 24, 2018 16:56:38 GMT
Also with Kevin, ratings changes should not be done while playoffs are going on.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 24, 2018 17:16:32 GMT
lol come on Ian
Editing my post after more thought.
Tatum 80
Brown 79
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Post by Tom Izzo on May 24, 2018 21:06:10 GMT
80 for both. Looking at their ratings it seems pretty fair, but increasing Brown by one is doable
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Post by Alex English on May 24, 2018 22:24:12 GMT
80 for Jayson Tatum - I'm super optimistic for him, but I'm not all about the playoff hype. No change yet.
81 for Jaylen Brown - A little more polished and better defense.
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on May 24, 2018 23:40:45 GMT
80 both. ^^
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on May 25, 2018 6:38:56 GMT
83 for Tatum..
84 for Brown...
Sample size for playoffs is small, but they have played three teams already for multiple games..And take note, the preparation, grit, focus and etc. are way higher in the playoffs.
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Post by Ghazny Dimalen on May 25, 2018 7:03:33 GMT
82 for both
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on May 25, 2018 11:26:50 GMT
83 both
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Post by Chauncey Billups on May 25, 2018 15:09:14 GMT
I'll buy into the playoff hype. I did for Mitchell so I want to be consistent. I've been more impressed with Tatum than Brown though, so I'll go:
Tatum - 83
Brown - 82
With that being said, I don't think there should be changes during OUR playoffs
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Post by James Kay on May 25, 2018 16:09:11 GMT
lol, now that BOS isn’t tanking, competitive Ian is a little annoying!
I’ll also buy into the hype and go 84 for Tatum and 82.5 for jaylen
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Larry Bird
 Indiana Pacers
Starter
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Post by Larry Bird on May 25, 2018 18:41:14 GMT
I agree with James.
Tatum should have a better rating than Brown.
84
82
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Post by Ian Noble on May 25, 2018 23:08:49 GMT
lol, now that BOS isn’t tanking, competitive Ian is a little annoying! Mostly it's because I'm down 3-0 to you and my team should be giving you a hard time - but they're really not! |
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Post by George Gervin on May 28, 2018 19:58:27 GMT
I would say Tatum offensively should be rated higher, but overall Brown has shown better and longer body of work on both ends of the floor.
Tatum - 82
Brown - 83
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 16, 2018 16:05:21 GMT
Both these guys are looking like 82s so it looks like even Tatum himself agree with us: streamable.com/om0bb |
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Billy King
Former Jazz and Knicks GM
Rookie
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Post by Billy King on Jun 16, 2018 16:19:09 GMT
Brown is definitely worse than tatum
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Post by Jared Montini on Jun 16, 2018 16:27:28 GMT
Brown is definitely worse than tatum not rating wise. Browns a better defender and better athlete. |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 16, 2018 16:53:03 GMT
Brown is definitely worse than tatum Talk shit about my boy Jaylen, get hit in Trade Discussion  |
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Jun 19, 2018 12:59:17 GMT
For me the main issue is that as good as both these players are, their numbers were inflated by the opportunity created by both Hayward and Kyrie being out. Assuming these players are back healthy next year, both Tatum and Brown will likely regress slightly stats wise while steadily improving skills wise.
With that said I would go:
Tatum - 82
Brown - 80
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 17, 2018 16:38:16 GMT
FWIW  |
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Post by Jerry West on Jul 17, 2018 18:25:15 GMT
That's a little bit to high in my opinion, 85 would be just fine for him.
His regular season wasn't worth an 87, not even close.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 17, 2018 19:53:34 GMT
FWIW What's the breakdown of individual stats? |
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 17, 2018 20:05:30 GMT
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 22, 2018 0:57:47 GMT
Really shouldn't base ratings off of 2k19 unless we want to base them all |
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 22, 2018 0:58:38 GMT
Really shouldn't base ratings off of 2k19 unless we want to base them all And they aint even get his sideburns right, so how trash are the ratings? |
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