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Post by JR Wiles on Apr 2, 2018 14:17:31 GMT
So it looks like the Gms for Curry and Irving have gotten their way.
Vote if you think its fair or not.
Comment if you like..
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Post by James Kay on Apr 2, 2018 14:24:14 GMT
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 2, 2018 14:37:37 GMT
I think we should seriously consider revising the injury system this offseason. It’s just too subjective. We argue about it every year. Why not just adopt the D720 system or something similar? It seems to work well and we don’t have to pretend like we are amateur medical professionals.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 2, 2018 14:52:56 GMT
For the short term at least I think James Kay is correct here. Sorry Chris Mullin but Curry will be out until he returns (which probably means he's back for the D5 Playoffs anyway).
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 2, 2018 14:56:57 GMT
I think we should seriously consider revising the injury system this offseason. It’s just too subjective. We argue about it every year. Why not just adopt the D720 system or something similar? It seems to work well and we don’t have to pretend like we are amateur medical professionals. I agree it's not a fantastic system. I'm open to suggestions - how do D720 do it again?
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Post by James Kay on Apr 2, 2018 14:59:33 GMT
For the short term at least I think James Kay is correct here. Sorry Chris Mullin but Curry will be out until he returns (which probably means he's back for the D5 Playoffs anyway). Like Andrei Kirilenko just said, I think we need to re-work our current system somehow. Currently, it treats players differently depending on the IRL team, which is something we should never allow. Let's say Player X is out for 7 weeks. In D5, that means he's out. However, let's say that there are exactly 6 weeks left in the IRL season. If Player X is on a playoff team, he will likely return IRL, and also in D5. If Player X is not on a playoff team, he is out for the rest of the D5 season. (This is fairly relevant to Curry, as he would likely be out for the entire season IRL and D5 if he wasn't on a playoff team).
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 2, 2018 15:10:32 GMT
For the short term at least I think James Kay is correct here. Sorry Chris Mullin but Curry will be out until he returns (which probably means he's back for the D5 Playoffs anyway). Like Andrei Kirilenko just said, I think we need to re-work our current system somehow. Currently, it treats players differently depending on the IRL team, which is something we should never allow. Let's say Player X is out for 7 weeks. In D5, that means he's out. However, let's say that there are exactly 6 weeks left in the IRL season. If Player X is on a playoff team, he will likely return IRL, and also in D5. If Player X is not on a playoff team, he is out for the rest of the D5 season. (This is fairly relevant to Curry, as he would likely be out for the entire season IRL and D5 if he wasn't on a playoff team). Hmm... I think you're missing that After there are six weeks left at the end of the regular season injuries listed as "Out for Season" will be checked for their severity, and if in doubt ignored, because "Out for season" will not necessarily mean an injury is severe enough to warrant being added to the injury list at this time. But I think either way we need a better system.
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Post by James Kay on Apr 2, 2018 15:12:10 GMT
Like Andrei Kirilenko just said, I think we need to re-work our current system somehow. Currently, it treats players differently depending on the IRL team, which is something we should never allow. Let's say Player X is out for 7 weeks. In D5, that means he's out. However, let's say that there are exactly 6 weeks left in the IRL season. If Player X is on a playoff team, he will likely return IRL, and also in D5. If Player X is not on a playoff team, he is out for the rest of the D5 season. (This is fairly relevant to Curry, as he would likely be out for the entire season IRL and D5 if he wasn't on a playoff team). Hmm... I think you're missing that After there are six weeks left at the end of the regular season injuries listed as "Out for Season" will be checked for their severity, and if in doubt ignored, because "Out for season" will not necessarily mean an injury is severe enough to warrant being added to the injury list at this time. But I think either way we need a better system. My mistake. Although that is rather ambiguous, not sure what that means exactly.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 2, 2018 15:15:04 GMT
I've been contributing to a popular open source Python web scraper of NBA.com ( link), I'm going to take a look through the code to see if there's any method of deriving injury information and developing an automated system.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 2, 2018 15:16:02 GMT
Hmm... I think you're missing that But I think either way we need a better system. My mistake. Although that is rather ambiguous, not sure what that means exactly. It's like what Josh was saying earlier - we can't all keep pretending to be medical professionals and diagnosing these injuries ourselves!
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Post by Chris Mullin on Apr 2, 2018 15:36:14 GMT
Ian NobleKevin Durant literally had the same injury last season and missed 0 games here in D5. So why does Curry sit now and Durant didn't last year? Both players were diagnosed with grade 2 MCL sprains. In terms of consistency I don't see why these 2 injuries are being treating differently when they are the same injury with the same projected recovery times.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 2, 2018 15:44:33 GMT
Ian NobleKevin Durant literally had the same injury last season and missed 0 games here in D5. So why does Curry sit now and Durant didn't last year? Both players were diagnosed with grade 2 MCL sprains. In terms of consistency I don't see why these 2 injuries are being treating differently when they are the same injury with the same projected recovery times. The news headline on Rotoworld explicitly states Steph is out for 6 weeks: www.rotoworld.com/headlines/nba/358441/stephen-curry-has-a-grade-2-mcl-sprainRe: Durant - it's difficult for me to comment since it was last season and we operated based off what we knew at the time. If any websites indicated 6 weeks or more absence then Durant would be on the injury list.
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Post by James Kay on Apr 2, 2018 15:44:42 GMT
Ian NobleKevin Durant literally had the same injury last season and missed 0 games here in D5. So why does Curry sit now and Durant didn't last year? Both players were diagnosed with grade 2 MCL sprains. In terms of consistency I don't see why these 2 injuries are being treating differently when they are the same injury with the same projected recovery times. dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/8219/2016-17-injury-list?page=4There was definitely disagreement about it
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Post by Chris Mullin on Apr 2, 2018 16:06:31 GMT
Yes, there was disagreement about it, but Durant never missed a game. I understand your point Ian Noble, but my point is we know the same about Curry's injury now, that we knew about Durant's injury then. Neither injury clearly stated either guy would be out 6 weeks or more, but in both cases it did say this type of injury typically requires 3/4-6 weeks to recover from. All this being said, if you want to take him out of the game, then take him out. I just wanted to point out this comparison of the same injury to a different player and voice my opinion on the matter. Thanks!
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Apr 2, 2018 17:38:10 GMT
Surprised to see there's even a debate on whether Curry should be out or not. Saw sims the other day with Curry in the lineup and thought Ian didn't update the injuries in time for sim
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Apr 2, 2018 17:42:25 GMT
Also, 6 weeks is a long time to constitute injury here on D5. I mean.. being out 3 weeks IRL can easily be 10 games and that should be reflected on here too
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Post by JR Wiles on Apr 2, 2018 20:10:16 GMT
Also, 6 weeks is a long time to constitute injury here on D5. I mean.. being out 3 weeks IRL can easily be 10 games and that should be reflected on here too Agreed
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Post by JR Wiles on Apr 2, 2018 20:14:03 GMT
Last season is last season.
How about Jrue Holiday not being out at all for the Bucks. Including the D5 playoffs I believe.
How about we follow the rules in place per season, as rules and the league gets better?
As for Irving, Stevens said he won't be back for rd1 either. How long until then? How much time has he already missed? That should be taken into consideration as well.
But as long as this season's rules are applied im ok with it.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 2, 2018 21:34:22 GMT
I'm going to keep looking because what I'm about to describe below isn't perfect, but it might be worth a try. In the open source code I found a bit that shows when a player's last game was played ( Steph Curry example). But a player's last game played doesn't necessarily denote an injury, and with some lesser-known players it might mean they're just not seeing playing time, or they're in China/Europe etc. If we manually denote players as injured, then my code checks each denoted player's status, that might work.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 2, 2018 21:35:23 GMT
As long as we are just pointing out some inconsistencies and listing examples, I'd like to bring up Blake Griffin from the beginning of this season. He was projected to be out either indefinitely Or up to 6 weeks or 3 to 6 weeks Etc depending where you looked. One of those said indefinitely Or six weeks, so we took him out. He ended up only missing about 3 or 4 weeks in real life, but I missed him in the SIM for that amount of time as well. Kind of unfair, could have an effect on the standings as well. But, I didn't really complain since I understood the rules that were in place and his description more or less fell into that even though there was some ambiguity from the real life Clippers at that time.
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