Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

[Kevin Hollis]

Current = 79

Suggested =76

Averaging 9 ppg, 4rbs, and 1 assist a game. Not fooled by his FG% of 50% as he can't shoot worth a damn. Players don't even guard him and let him shoot open shots. Believe this rating is from two years ago and needs a decrease. His defense is even slipping now. Free throw percentage is piss poor also for a SF.

[Andrei Kirilenko]

The only thing that has actually changed this year is that Dwight Howard joined the Hornets and is a vacuum cleaner for rebounding. MKG is no different of a player than he was when he was rated 79, he just is playing with a guy who steals a lot of stats.

There's a reason MKG has started 65 out of 65 games for the Hornets this season. Look at his On/Off statistics. The Hornets are an overall better team with MKG on the floor, and even have a +6.2 ORtg with MKG on the floor, despite his inability to shoot. The narrative that he is a detriment to the offense is old and played out. I thought we figured that one out 2 years ago? What MKG lacks in three point shooting, he makes up for in cutting, screening, and mid range shots.



And just to emphasize the +6.2 ORtg some more, here is the offensive rating differential of Charlotte's other non-Kemba starters:

Nic Batum: +1.4
Dwight Howard: +4.3
Marvin Williams: +4.7

Yes, you are reading that correctly. Outside of Kemba Walker, MKG has the highest offensive impact on the team. Your "Players don't even guard him and let him shoot open shots" comment is simply not true. MKG is smarter than that. He isn't just standing around at the 3point line jacking up threes he can't make. In fact he has only attempted 2 threes all season, meaning your narrative is entirely made up. If you watch the Hornets, MKG is in motion, he is a master of cutting and has figured out how to be effective on offensive despite his lack of shooting.

As for the "defense is even slipping now" comment, I am struggling to figure out if this is also just completely made up or if you actually have anything to support this. As I mentioned earlier, sure his rebounding is down due to the arrival of Dwight Howard. That seems reasonable to me. As you can see above, opponent offensive rating gets 2.4 points per 100 worse when MKG is on the floor. I'm not sure what other stats to look at for defense. I guess you can argue that his DBPM is down, but it is really just all due to Dwight being on the team. MKG's defense itself is as good as ever.


I think it is quite clear that everything Kevin has posted is basically entirely made up. Which isn't surprising considering he sent me a trade offer for MKG a week ago and then claimed he would be lowered when I wouldn't trade him.

With all that being said, I'm not delusional that 9ppg and 4rpg is a hard argument for a 79, regardless of how good your defense is and how much of an impact you are making on the team. As I've laid out, he is still the same player as his 79 rating and actually has a very positive impact on the team, both offensively and defensively. I could see an argument being made for 77-78 if I came into this cold with no context, but knowing that Dwight is stealing stats and seeing how great MKG is if you look at impact, I am sticking with a 79.

[Chauncey Billups]

He called out JR in that PM too. Ouch

[Brian Scalabrine]

His assists, steals and blocks are all down from last year. He might have a good plus minus but so does Aminu and Al-farouq can actually shoot. 76.5

Edit: also he shoots 57% at the rim, not so great

[Jared Montini]

77

[Kevin Hollis]

Mar 25, 2018 7:33:32 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

The only thing that has actually changed this year is that Dwight Howard joined the Hornets and is a vacuum cleaner for rebounding. MKG is no different of a player than he was when he was rated 79, he just is playing with a guy who steals a lot of stats.

There's a reason MKG has started 65 out of 65 games for the Hornets this season. Look at his On/Off statistics. The Hornets are an overall better team with MKG on the floor, and even have a +6.2 ORtg with MKG on the floor, despite his inability to shoot. The narrative that he is a detriment to the offense is old and played out. I thought we figured that one out 2 years ago? What MKG lacks in three point shooting, he makes up for in cutting, screening, and mid range shots.



And just to emphasize the +6.2 ORtg some more, here is the offensive rating differential of Charlotte's other non-Kemba starters:

Nic Batum: +1.4
Dwight Howard: +4.3
Marvin Williams: +4.7

Yes, you are reading that correctly. Outside of Kemba Walker, MKG has the highest offensive impact on the team. Your "Players don't even guard him and let him shoot open shots" comment is simply not true. MKG is smarter than that. He isn't just standing around at the 3point line jacking up threes he can't make. In fact he has only attempted 2 threes all season, meaning your narrative is entirely made up. If you watch the Hornets, MKG is in motion, he is a master of cutting and has figured out how to be effective on offensive despite his lack of shooting.

As for the "defense is even slipping now" comment, I am struggling to figure out if this is also just completely made up or if you actually have anything to support this. As I mentioned earlier, sure his rebounding is down due to the arrival of Dwight Howard. That seems reasonable to me. As you can see above, opponent offensive rating gets 2.4 points per 100 worse when MKG is on the floor. I'm not sure what other stats to look at for defense. I guess you can argue that his DBPM is down, but it is really just all due to Dwight being on the team. MKG's defense itself is as good as ever.


I think it is quite clear that everything Kevin has posted is basically entirely made up. Which isn't surprising considering he sent me a trade offer for MKG a week ago and then claimed he would be lowered when I wouldn't trade him.

With all that being said, I'm not delusional that 9ppg and 4rpg is a hard argument for a 79, regardless of how good your defense is and how much of an impact you are making on the team. As I've laid out, he is still the same player as his 79 rating and actually has a very positive impact on the team, both offensively and defensively. I could see an argument being made for 77-78 if I came into this cold with no context, but knowing that Dwight is stealing stats and seeing how great MKG is if you look at impact, I am sticking with a 79.




I called you out because you wanted a lot for MKG. You rip people off in trades all the time and some how get them to agree to it. You offered me two okay players, bam, and two crappy firsts for Durant. Also, offered me Wiggins for Cousins or Bam and a bad first for Cousins. Should explain itself why I get annoyed. Does his defense warrant a 79? Hell no. His defense has actually dropped this year. He has one of the worst looking shots ever and yes, it is true that teams leave him wide open and pull towards Kemba. I bet I can find a highlight reel of him shooting wide open shots because teams know he can't shoot. You're acting like me wanting him in a trade warrants him to no decrease, get real. He is pretty much Tony Allen and that is why I wanted him. 

As for JR, it isn't a secret that JR doesn't value draft picks and he has said that numerous times. So, yeah, stick by what I said there. 

[Walt Frazier]

I get the "he hasn't actually decreased from what he was" argument but nearly unanimously, this league has voted based on what a player is actually producing. The advanced stats matter, sure, but 9 / 6 / 1 even with great defense is not quite 79 worthy.

I'm going 77.5

[Walt Frazier]

Also, Tony Allen is OTB

[Hanamichi Sakuragi]

78

[Andrei Kirilenko]

Mar 25, 2018 13:31:58 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

I called you out because you wanted a lot for MKG. You rip people off in trades all the time and some how get them to agree to it. You offered me two okay players, bam, and two crappy firsts for Durant. Also, offered me Wiggins for Cousins or Bam and a bad first for Cousins. Should explain itself why I get annoyed. Does his defense warrant a 79? Hell no. His defense has actually dropped this year. He has one of the worst looking shots ever and yes, it is true that teams leave him wide open and pull towards Kemba. I bet I can find a highlight reel of him shooting wide open shots because teams know he can't shoot. You're acting like me wanting him in a trade warrants him to no decrease, get real. He is pretty much Tony Allen and that is why I wanted him. 

Dude what are you talking about. YOU messaged ME regarding MKG. And nowhere in our discussion did I even make an offer, I simply asked what your goal was with the trade. And then you told me his value is a "low second" and are butthurt enough that I declined that you make a stockwatch thread? Am I missing something here?

And once again, I guess I have to reiterate for you, MKG doesn't shoot jumpers. And his jumper is already nerfed in D5. It's a zero in fact. So please find a new narrative and some actual statistics to support your fakenews rating change.

[Mike Krzyzewski]

78

[Kevin Hollis]

Mar 26, 2018 12:46:32 GMT Andrei Kirilenko said:

Mar 25, 2018 13:31:58 GMT Kevin Hollis said:

I called you out because you wanted a lot for MKG. You rip people off in trades all the time and some how get them to agree to it. You offered me two okay players, bam, and two crappy firsts for Durant. Also, offered me Wiggins for Cousins or Bam and a bad first for Cousins. Should explain itself why I get annoyed. Does his defense warrant a 79? Hell no. His defense has actually dropped this year. He has one of the worst looking shots ever and yes, it is true that teams leave him wide open and pull towards Kemba. I bet I can find a highlight reel of him shooting wide open shots because teams know he can't shoot. You're acting like me wanting him in a trade warrants him to no decrease, get real. He is pretty much Tony Allen and that is why I wanted him. 

Dude what are you talking about. YOU messaged ME regarding MKG. And nowhere in our discussion did I even make an offer, I simply asked what your goal was with the trade. And then you told me his value is a "low second" and are butthurt enough that I declined that you make a stockwatch thread? Am I missing something here?

And once again, I guess I have to reiterate for you, MKG doesn't shoot jumpers. And his jumper is already nerfed in D5. It's a zero in fact. So please find a new narrative and some actual statistics to support your fakenews rating change.

How does a 3pt rating of 1 equate to not shooting jumpers? I would argue that FG is a real determination of shooting jumpers. And, funny enough, FG rating  does "determine a player's ability to make regular jumpshots" according to NBA Live's definitions(if NBA Live is the sim we use, but I think it is). MKG is at 78 FG, so, it should be at...say 20; I think you would agree (MKG doesn't shoot jumpers.). Yes, I did message you about him. I am glad you can understand that. You're reply was Randle? Simmons? Barnes? Who would trade one of those players for MKG? Either way, he needs to be decreased and I understood that if I did indeed trade for him. That is why I believe you were overvaluing him by a lot. If 9 and 4 equals a 79 rating, then 3/4s of the league would be 80s. Jonathan Simmons is averaging 14, 3.5, 2.5,and 1, guess that means he should be an 83.

Also, you just "conveniently" decide Jonas Val needed a stock watch thread for a rating increase in the midst of trade talks where you were involved. Post a Val stock watch on 2/19 and then post a trade on 2/21. I am sure it was just a coincidence. Calculated moves, impressive, but definitely shady to those aware. 

[Jeremiah Hill]

77, weirdest player in a while. He'd be really good on like the T wolves or Knicks in real life who have a center that can shoot and he could play inside power forward.