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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 14, 2018 8:28:39 GMT
Miami Heat sends
76 Austin Rivers $3,837,035 $4,259,109 $4,727,611 75 Trey Burke $815,615 $815,615 Steve Novak Contract $815,615 $815,615 GSW Pick 1st Round Pick 2019
total: 5,468,265
Utah Jazz sends
84 Hassan Whiteside $2,500,000 73 Justise Winslow $3,753,000 $4,747,545 $6,262,012
Total: 6,253,000
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 14, 2018 8:45:42 GMT
You can't trade MCW until April 5
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 14, 2018 8:58:22 GMT
You can't trade MCW until April 5 i'll just revise it wait
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 14, 2018 11:49:24 GMT
Giving up on Winslow a bit early.
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Post by Mark Price on Mar 14, 2018 13:36:08 GMT
You can't trade MCW until April 5 i'll just revise it wait I see you could've used Dunleavy's contract...
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 14, 2018 13:48:24 GMT
Ew
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 14, 2018 14:07:18 GMT
Winslow alone is worth more than that pick. Disastrous trade for the jazz
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 14, 2018 14:13:31 GMT
Troy is rolling lol.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 14, 2018 14:24:03 GMT
Edited
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 14, 2018 19:30:58 GMT
Winslow alone is worth more than that pick. Disastrous trade for the jazz I agree with Brian ScalabrineNot an encouraging first sign from Elton Brand
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 14, 2018 20:10:25 GMT
Remove both Rivers and Winslow. If Troy doesn't want to give a super late 1st in a future year to get Whiteside, then he is on the Darksied (and just doesn't want him enough).
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 14, 2018 20:18:12 GMT
Remove both Rivers and Winslow. If Troy doesn't want to give a super late 1st in a future year to get Whiteside, then he is on the Darksied (and just doesn't want him enough). So it's the trade comittees job now to dictate who needs to be traded?
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 14, 2018 20:20:02 GMT
Remove both Rivers and Winslow. If Troy doesn't want to give a super late 1st in a future year to get Whiteside, then he is on the Darksied (and just doesn't want him enough). So it's the trade comittees job now to dictate who needs to be traded? Well, in a round-about way, yes it's always been our job. I can say what I said above in a different way, but I am choosing not to say it until I hear from Elton Brand. Trying not to vote before both sides accept/reject.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 14, 2018 20:25:03 GMT
So it's the trade comittees job now to dictate who needs to be traded? Well, in a round-about way, yes it's always been our job. I can say what I said above in a different way, but I am choosing not to say it until I hear from Elton Brand. Trying not to vote before both sides accept/reject. your job is to accept or decline the trades and not to pick which players needs to be traded.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 14, 2018 20:30:33 GMT
Well, in a round-about way, yes it's always been our job. I can say what I said above in a different way, but I am choosing not to say it until I hear from Elton Brand. Trying not to vote before both sides accept/reject. your job is to accept or decline the trades and not to pick which players needs to be traded. Troy, I'm saying I will reject this trade as it stands (IF Elton accepts it) unless those guys are removed. Maybe it's been awhile since a TC member has suggested a way to "fix" a trade or make it "passable" for them, but I've definitely done it before. That's all I'm doing here. This is a reject for me if Elton accepts, but I would accept it if those two players were taken out.
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Mar 14, 2018 20:40:47 GMT
your job is to accept or decline the trades and not to pick which players needs to be traded. Troy, I'm saying I will reject this trade as it stands (IF Elton accepts it) unless those guys are removed. Maybe it's been awhile since a TC member has suggested a way to "fix" a trade or make it "passable" for them, but I've definitely done it before. That's all I'm doing here. This is a reject for me if Elton accepts, but I would accept it if those two players were taken out. im doing this trade because of Winslow and not for Whiteside. go ahead and reject it
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Post by Elton Brand on Mar 14, 2018 23:35:20 GMT
I accept, but Walt would reject the deal. My reasons are that I don't see any potential for Winslow other than decent roleplayer and Whiteside would walk away anyway in the off-season. I see two decent scorers in Rivers and Burke, and if Markelle Fultz comes back fine they will be valuable bench players. The pick might be decent due to the fact that LeBron's future in Golden State is not certain. However, the trade committee shall do what they must.
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 15, 2018 10:58:21 GMT
Sorry Elton Brand, I tend to go tougher on newcomers when I see a trade I don't like. I suppose now that I'm breaking the trade down it's not so bad though. Whiteside for the GSW pick I would accept because I understand both Billy King before you, and you also, have had a time trying to find a taker for Whiteside, although it might be more sensible to try and re-sign him first and then judge the market afterwards. Trade Whiteside with Bird Rights is worth a lot more. Rivers and Burke, I don't really see their upside being that great, about Winslow I suppose you could say the same in the end, he's been a bit confusing. I think the main problem I'm seeing is that nothing that the Heat are offering is particularly promising as a prospect compraed to Whiteside and Winslow's upside. We know GSW will be 29th or 30th pick most likely. Rivers and Burke are just meh. It's not so much that the trade is vastly unequal, but looking at your team afterwards it's just a bit more depressing than before, lol. Sorry I'm going to reject.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Mar 15, 2018 11:23:36 GMT
I am also rejecting for reasons mentioned above.
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 15, 2018 21:09:59 GMT
I'm going to ramble a bit cause this trade feels off to me. There's an angle where I could maaaaybe convince myself into saying Rivers for Winslow is okay, if I really focus on the injuries and sour start, maybe? Maybe i'm underrating Austin Rivers, but I feel like Winslow still has enough upside for me that i'm not entirely comfortable. Trey Burke is pretty solid value for the minimum, but in the context of a Whiteside trade he just doesn't hold. The pick's not that great either - even if Lebron leaves, could you really see that pick outside the 20s? Also, are we just assuming that Whiteside leaving is a given now? I mean, the Heat team he re-signed with wasn't exactly a star-studded group. I try not to let New-GM bias affect as much as it gets Ian, but I really feel like your perception of Whiteside's value could really be helped by looking through old OSFA threads Elton Brand. Overall, too many things bother me in this trade. Reject.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 15, 2018 22:06:37 GMT
Can you currently trade a player who signed in the off-season, but has bird rights, before December 15th? If you can't, maybe a rule could be implemented to allow newly signed bird right players to be traded pre December 15th? You can't trade bird rights of those players, but this kind of falls between each sides argument for and against the trading bird rights dilemma.
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 16, 2018 16:30:31 GMT
Trade rejected Can you currently trade a player who signed in the off-season, but has bird rights, before December 15th? If you can't, maybe a rule could be implemented to allow newly signed bird right players to be traded pre December 15th? You can't trade bird rights of those players, but this kind of falls between each sides argument for and against the trading bird rights dilemma. That's kinda weirdly complicated. Also yeah - Whiteside may now be more of a target for non-Utah-Jazz teams this off season now that BK's left, but the Jazz hold his Bird Rights and like Danny Longley said above Whiteside re-signed to a less-than-great Heat team IRL. A re-signed Whiteside on a long contract is worth a lot more than a non-BRs Whiteside for 2 or 3 months of regular season.
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Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 16, 2018 17:20:18 GMT
It's really just a sign and trade theory
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