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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 10, 2018 12:06:32 GMT
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 12, 2018 21:17:04 GMT
Ian, I didn't know you supported Trump.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 12, 2018 21:37:24 GMT
Trump keeps winning and winning and winning and winning and winning and winning
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 12, 2018 22:05:49 GMT
All he do is win win win no matter what.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 12, 2018 22:53:33 GMT
This isn't surprising. I don't think Trump supporters even pay much attention to what Trump actually does. They're not supporting a real human being, their supporting an idea or an image of what Trump represents. It's some team politics BS and Trump is their mascot. Look no further than the two comments above that are all about "winning".
So yeah.. if everything is made up and the points don't matter, then of course you'll just share and pay attention to the news that tells you what you want to hear. Since real life rarely tells anyone what they actually want to hear, that just leaves fake news for all these people inside the Trump/Republican bubble.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 12, 2018 23:44:10 GMT
This isn't surprising. I don't think Trump supporters even pay much attention to what Trump actually does. They're not supporting a real human being, their supporting an idea or an image of what Trump represents. It's some team politics BS and Trump is their mascot. Look no further than the two comments above that are all about "winning". So yeah.. if everything is made up and the points don't matter, then of course you'll just share and pay attention to the news that tells you what you want to hear. Since real life rarely tells anyone what they actually want to hear, that just leaves fake news for all these people inside the Trump/Republican bubble. Only one that fell for the troll Alex.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 13, 2018 0:29:42 GMT
This isn't surprising. I don't think Trump supporters even pay much attention to what Trump actually does. They're not supporting a real human being, their supporting an idea or an image of what Trump represents. It's some team politics BS and Trump is their mascot. Look no further than the two comments above that are all about "winning". So yeah.. if everything is made up and the points don't matter, then of course you'll just share and pay attention to the news that tells you what you want to hear. Since real life rarely tells anyone what they actually want to hear, that just leaves fake news for all these people inside the Trump/Republican bubble. Only one that fell for the troll Alex. What difference does it make if you're joking or not? We both know this type of comment is being genuinely posted by millions of Americans every day. It doesn't change my point at all. I'm curious what your honest point of view of things is though, are you going to vote against Trump next election?
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 13, 2018 0:54:45 GMT
The silent majority
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 13, 2018 1:58:04 GMT
Only one that fell for the troll Alex. What difference does it make if you're joking or not? We both know this type of comment is being genuinely posted by millions of Americans every day. It doesn't change my point at all. I'm curious what your honest point of view of things is though, are you going to vote against Trump next election? Yeah, most likely. As long as it isn't a Sanders type then I will. My views are honestly more democratic than conservative outside of taxes, affirmative action and labor unions. Honestly, those are the only things that I do side on with conservatives.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 13, 2018 2:09:28 GMT
Yeah, most likely. As long as it isn't a Sanders type then I will. My views are honestly more democratic than conservative outside of taxes, affirmative action and labor unions. Honestly, those are the only things that I do side on with conservatives. Cool, and fair enough. I'm pretty confident I'd disagree strongly with you on taxes and labour unions (Bernie Sanders is exactly what the US needs to address wealth inequality), but I'm entirely in favour of your honest support for your point of view.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 13, 2018 2:55:36 GMT
Bernie has a national approval rating around 90% across both parties. If he runs he's gonna win.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 13, 2018 3:02:23 GMT
Bernie would be almost 80 years old... Let's be real, he wouldn't win just on that fact alone.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 13, 2018 3:13:51 GMT
If he runs, he wins.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Mar 13, 2018 3:29:39 GMT
#fakenews Believing you can elect a 1000 year old man thinking he can fix today's problems and connect with today's youth is the problem with the Democratic party
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 13, 2018 3:46:14 GMT
#fakenews Believing you can elect a 1000 year old man thinking he can fix today's problems and connect with today's youth is the problem with the Democratic party We already elected a geezer might as well elect an honest one.
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 13, 2018 9:52:44 GMT
It's only when you come face-to-face with Trump supporters that you realise they genuinely exist and genuinely hold these asinine beliefs devoid of historical and global perspective.
America seems to me to be country that, for hundreds of years, relied on expansion to avoid the Labour vs Capital politics of Europe, but now has nowhere else to expand. The very idea of Labour vs Capital is abhorrent even to Labour itself because Labour never needed to even engage with the idea, still persists in some insane 'bootstraps' mentality. Well, not for much longer.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 13, 2018 10:48:04 GMT
It's only when you come face-to-face with Trump supporters that you realise they genuinely exist and genuinely hold these asinine beliefs devoid of historical and global perspective. America seems to me to be country that, for hundreds of years, relied on expansion to avoid the Labour vs Capital politics of Europe, but now has nowhere else to expand. The very idea of Labour vs Capital is abhorrent even to Labour itself because Labour never needed to even engage with the idea, still persists in some insane 'bootstraps' mentality. Well, not for much longer. Corporate money in our politics has slowly dismantled everything FDR accomplished with the new deal. The democrats used to be the party of the people then the Clintons were basically republicans who didn't hate black people. I don't understand how people today can look at a politician calling for something that was so popular that FDR got elected 4 times and think it could even remotely be negative for them.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 13, 2018 22:40:40 GMT
I don't understand how people today can look at a politician calling for something that was so popular that FDR got elected 4 times and think it could even remotely be negative for them. It's propaganda. Basically since Reagan there has been a consistent effort to demonize any kind of regulation, or labour interests, or unions, or really anything that might take any power away from capital owners. It's no coincidence that since Reagan wages have stagnated and wealth inequality has skyrocketed. It's at the point now that anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism is a more legitimate political stance in America than democratic-socialism. It's madness. The system is increasingly being rigged against the majority and so many people willingly encourage it. A breaking point is coming though as we see people get more and more angry. Trump and Sanders both represented populism, unfortunately one of them was a con man. That's clearly the political currency of the future though as things get worse and worse for the poor and middle class. A correction is coming.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 14, 2018 1:08:30 GMT
I don't understand how people today can look at a politician calling for something that was so popular that FDR got elected 4 times and think it could even remotely be negative for them. It's propaganda. Basically since Reagan there has been a consistent effort to demonize any kind of regulation, or labour interests, or unions, or really anything that might take any power away from capital owners. It's no coincidence that since Reagan wages have stagnated and wealth inequality has skyrocketed. It's at the point now that anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism is a more legitimate political stance in America than democratic-socialism. It's madness. The system is increasingly being rigged against the majority and so many people willingly encourage it. A breaking point is coming though as we see people get more and more angry. Trump and Sanders both represented populism, unfortunately one of them was a con man. That's clearly the political currency of the future though as things get worse and worse for the poor and middle class. A correction is coming. When you break it down and look at polling, issues like legal marijuana, universal healthcare, common sense gun control, free/reduced cost education are all above 60% support among the US populace, that includes conservative voters.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 14, 2018 3:35:28 GMT
I don't understand how people today can look at a politician calling for something that was so popular that FDR got elected 4 times and think it could even remotely be negative for them. It's propaganda. Basically since Reagan there has been a consistent effort to demonize any kind of regulation, or labour interests, or unions, or really anything that might take any power away from capital owners. It's no coincidence that since Reagan wages have stagnated and wealth inequality has skyrocketed. It's at the point now that anarcho-capitalism and libertarianism is a more legitimate political stance in America than democratic-socialism. It's madness. The system is increasingly being rigged against the majority and so many people willingly encourage it. A breaking point is coming though as we see people get more and more angry. Trump and Sanders both represented populism, unfortunately one of them was a con man. That's clearly the political currency of the future though as things get worse and worse for the poor and middle class. A correction is coming. The way campaigns are ran these days is a joke. It's all for show for almost all the candidates. Unfortunately we have more dumb people voting than educated / common sense people. I hope the next election isn't going to follow the trend of athletes, singers, name calling, etc, but we all know it is. Politicians appeal to numbers and until normal people actually go out and vote it's going to be the same thing. There are tons of people I know from work and outside of work that didn't bother to vote "just because" and it is really hurting.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 14, 2018 3:40:20 GMT
When you break it down and look at polling, issues like legal marijuana, universal healthcare, common sense gun control, free/reduced cost education are all above 60% support among the US populace, that includes conservative voters. Legal marijuana isn't really a democratic-socialist issue, those libertarians also want it legal. Common sense gun control is very different in the rest of the world compared to the US. Guns have some weird place in American culture and there is no way a real left wing policy on gun regulation would fly in the US. Fair point for universal healthcare and free/subsidized education, but how many of the people who say they want it are also willing to support a tax system that allows for it? It's easy to want free stuff from the government. It's a different thing when the financial issues are brought up. Universal social benefits requires universal cooperation and a 'we're all in this together' mentality. America doesn't do cooperation very well. I'm generalizing of course, but America strongly favours individualism over community. Having my taxes raised in order to benefit my neighbour isn't something that goes over very well in the land of the free and the home of the brave. I think younger generations are more left leaning and willing to support those ideals, but you'll never get the baby boomers to go along with those ideas.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 14, 2018 3:52:20 GMT
Agree. If the US is ever going to do universal healthcare and free education, the implementation would have to go over a long period of time - probably talking 20 years or so. People's taxes are going to have to go way up and it would be impossible to do it overnight as people would have no time to adjust their cash flow and living means. I know if I was taxed say 20% higher than I am now, I would definitely have to sell my house. It is a tricky problem to solve. We could always take it out of the defense fund, but that would mean the US has to not get involved in everyone's business and that isn't going to happen.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 14, 2018 6:09:54 GMT
Agree. If the US is ever going to do universal healthcare and free education, the implementation would have to go over a long period of time - probably talking 20 years or so. People's taxes are going to have to go way up and it would be impossible to do it overnight as people would have no time to adjust their cash flow and living means. I know if I was taxed say 20% higher than I am now, I would definitely have to sell my house. It is a tricky problem to solve. We could always take it out of the defense fund, but that would mean the US has to not get involved in everyone's business and that isn't going to happen. Tax corporations > Taxing People Seems pretty self explanatory. Amazon paid nothing in taxes to the US last year. The fact that so many people spend so much time defending the profits of people who pay fewer taxes than they themselves do is laughably stupid. 3 election cycles we have Universal Healthcare.
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