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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 11, 2018 16:23:00 GMT
So Andrei Kirilenko and @riogho are suggesting buyouts become a thing. This is intriguing as a possibility but, since money doesn't mean much except for how it constrains your team, it comes with flaws. Andrei Kirilenko is suggesting you can only use cap space to make buyouts, which is worth considering. I'm just typing it here so I can come back to it when I get home and off my phone.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 11, 2018 16:30:18 GMT
So teams are able to weasel their way out of terrible contracts? That doesn't seem fair to other teams who were smart enough not to sign albatross deals
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Feb 11, 2018 17:04:02 GMT
Not arguing either way but a lot of us signed these deals before the D5 hard cap rule changed.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 11, 2018 17:39:38 GMT
Not sure I necessarily support or reject this idea yet. But I do think having to use your cap space to buy out a contract makes the most sense.
There's only 2 teams with $30m+ cap space right now, so the most they could buy out is a player making $15m a season for two more seasons (or $10m a season for 3 more seasons, etc.). If you look through the LSD, there's really not many situations right now where someone would be bought out. Maybe Atlanta buys out Mirotic or Philly buys out Monta Ellis, but I don't think it would have a huge impact (of course you could trade to facilitate these things as well).
Could be interesting for some new strategies and would make cap space even more important. It is sorta trading "regular season cap space" for "off season cap space" if you think about it. You could entice Billy to take a bad contract and he wouldn't be impacted this offseason because he can buy the player out.
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Post by Larry Bird on Feb 11, 2018 17:58:40 GMT
I think it adds an interesting wrinkle to the league.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 11, 2018 20:30:03 GMT
Why would a team want to buyout a player on a long deal?
Why would a player really want this?
Mozgov is going to get paid 45 million over three years. What would Detroit have to pay right now to get out of it? Are we gonna discount it like a lottery winner could opt for a lump sum rather than an annuity?
Aren't the NBA buyouts usually one year contracts that are being bought out? It would make sense for a tanking team to buy out a player to stop them from winning, but only candidates who are looking to "win" would want to be bought out, both the player and team have to agree.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 0:33:51 GMT
So teams are able to weasel their way out of terrible contracts? That doesn't seem fair to other teams who were smart enough not to sign albatross deals You'd have to use cap space to buy someone out. So one of those teams would have to pay someone like me or you to take the player and buy them out. It's a decent method to make the rich a little less rich (but more flexible), while helping the piss poor teams who have nothing. Detroit can now use their cap space, since no one will sign with a dumpster fire team with a GM who signs people and leaves in a few months anyway, he can now use his cap space to hunt around the league for Mozgov type deals and then get people to pay him to take them. This already happens already, but its much harder to do because it can hamstring us for a long time, buying out the deal eats up our space this year, but keeps things healthy. A side effect of this entire change is the additional regular season activity it would encourage. It would encourage many trade discussions that aren't already existing, and also an interesting regular season free agent market may develop from player's that are bought out.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 12, 2018 0:35:33 GMT
So teams are able to weasel their way out of terrible contracts? That doesn't seem fair to other teams who were smart enough not to sign albatross deals You'd have to use cap space to buy someone out. So one of those teams would have to pay someone like me or you to take the player and buy them out. If this is the case then I actually kinda like the idea. Helps out the rebuilding teams
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Post by Larry Bird on Feb 12, 2018 0:52:27 GMT
Would teams be able to use their own salary to pay off a multiple year contract if it can fit into the current years cap space? This would allow for a Waiver Wire to be created.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 12, 2018 6:34:08 GMT
Why would a team want to buyout a player on a long deal? Why would a player really want this? Mozgov is going to get paid 45 million over three years. What would Detroit have to pay right now to get out of it? Are we gonna discount it like a lottery winner could opt for a lump sum rather than an annuity? Aren't the NBA buyouts usually one year contracts that are being bought out? It would make sense for a tanking team to buy out a player to stop them from winning, but only candidates who are looking to "win" would want to be bought out, both the player and team have to agree. I think in the real NBA, a buyout is usually for an amount less than what the player is actually owed. That’s why the headline always says “a buyout agreement has been reached”. It allows a guy like Joe Johnson to take a pay cut but get to go to a contender. I guess what we’re proposing in D5 isn’t really a buyout but rather the ability to release any player and take the cap hit for the entire contract in the current year, assuming you have the cap space.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 12, 2018 7:08:16 GMT
Why would a team want to buyout a player on a long deal? Why would a player really want this? Mozgov is going to get paid 45 million over three years. What would Detroit have to pay right now to get out of it? Are we gonna discount it like a lottery winner could opt for a lump sum rather than an annuity? Aren't the NBA buyouts usually one year contracts that are being bought out? It would make sense for a tanking team to buy out a player to stop them from winning, but only candidates who are looking to "win" would want to be bought out, both the player and team have to agree. I think in the real NBA, a buyout is usually for an amount less than what the player is actually owed. That’s why the headline always says “a buyout agreement has been reached”. It allows a guy like Joe Johnson to take a pay cut but get to go to a contender. I guess what we’re proposing in D5 isn’t really a buyout but rather the ability to release any player and take the cap hit for the entire contract in the current year, assuming you have the cap space. Yeah but a team would think a lot differently about buying out Joe Johnson's 1 year, 12 million dollar deal than they would Joe Johnson's 4 year 48 million dollar deal. He was bought out of his final year on his current deal that was signed in 2016 for 2 years 22 million. I just can't imagine a team buying out Timofey Mozgov's deal when there's so much money left to be paid. I get why it would work in here, but if the goal of this league is to keep things as similar to RL NBA as possible, I don't think allowing a multi-year deal to be bought out is really realistic, unless someone can point to a time when a player on a multi-year contract at big time money has been bought out. Because no one in here is really thinking about buying out Jeff Green's expiring but a huge as deal like Biyombo's
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Post by Ghazny Dimalen on Feb 12, 2018 10:14:02 GMT
Buyout Rules & Guidelines for NBXeries League:
1. Only one buyout per team, per season. That is a calender year. ----Example; Team A comes to a buyout agreement with Player X on May 20th, 2009. That team can not buyout another player until May 20th, 2010.
2. To avoid any shenanigans, a team may not sign a player that they traded prior to that same player receiving a buyout from new team until 6 calender months have gone by. ----Example; Team A trades Player X to Team B. Team B buys Player X out. Team A cannot sign Player X until 6 months after the trade.
3. You can buyout a player at anytime during the year. Meaning, there is no deadline/time line as to when you can negotiate a buyout.
4. You must pay 100% of the players' first year salary, plus 50% of his 2nd year salary, plus 25% of any remaining years of salary for the player.
5. You must have enough cap space in the current year to cover the whole buyout.
Example:
Player X (Full Contract): $7,000,000 | $8,000,000 | $9,000,000 | $10,000,000
Year 1 | 100% = $7,000,000
Year 2 | 50% = $4,000,000
Year 3 | 25% = $2,250,000
Year 4 | 25% = $2,500,000
So, add them all up...
$7,000,000 + $4,000,000 + $2,250,000 + $2,500,000 = $15,750,000
So, that's how much it would cost to buy Player X out. This does NOT mean you need to currently have $15,750,000 in cap space to buy the player out. You get to subtract the players' current salary, since you were already paying that amount to him. You don't want to count that twice. So;
$15,750,000 - $7,000,000 = $8,750,000
You need to have at least an additional $8,750,000 in cap space currently, to buy out a player with this contract.
-this is what we are using in other league. You can adopt or revise it or you can also ignore this if you dont like this rules.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 12, 2018 14:03:32 GMT
Just a thought, sorry if it's been mentioned I'm yet to read all these replies:
buyouts help tanking teams with low payrolls - they can take on terrible contracts, buy them out, and obtain more picks in the process
But it does also seem like maybe buyouts are a little unnecessary in general, there's no need to add an extra thread in the already-extensive Rules list when it makes little difference
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 12, 2018 22:15:26 GMT
Just a thought, sorry if it's been mentioned I'm yet to read all these replies: buyouts help tanking teams with low payrolls - they can take on terrible contracts, buy them out, and obtain more picks in the process But it does also seem like maybe buyouts are a little unnecessary in general, there's no need to add an extra thread in the already-extensive Rules list when it makes little difference I was pretty soundly roasted when I brought up an Amnesty clause which actually happened in real life, this is essentially that. In real life, buyouts only happen at or around the trade deadline or at the end of the year/before the season starts. So a team can save a bit off the backend of the contract and the player can get off a usually bad team to sign with a playoff squad. A playoff team in D5 does not want any of these terrible contracts, these contracts are literally so player friendly that they would never allow themselves to be bought out in real life. If someone doesn't want the player affecting their team success then cut them and deal with the dead money, I did it and others have done it.
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