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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 20, 2018 2:05:59 GMT
Wiggins -31 tonight. Pretty bad. On/off is a joke almost as big of a joke as RPM I give him a hard time because I felt he was overrated.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 24, 2018 23:50:51 GMT
Normally don't post here because IDK if I like the spirit of this thread... lol, but this Fultz thing is like the weirdest storyline this season. It's honestly like he forgot how to play basketball.
My rookie JJ isn't shooting too hot(39% lol)(but 44% last 15 games), but at least he's shooting. Fultz straight up looks like the monstars took his powers or something its sad to watch
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 24, 2018 23:54:08 GMT
Normally don't post here because IDK if I like the spirit of this thread... lol, but this Fultz thing is like the weirdest storyline this season. It's honestly like he forgot how to play basketball. My rookie JJ isn't shooting too hot(39% lol)(but 44% last 15 games), but at least he's shooting. Fultz straight up looks like the monstars took his powers or something its sad to watch How is he even making more than 25% of his FT with that shot? he just did in this super small sample size but damn, that's so gross
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Post by James Kay on Jan 24, 2018 23:58:17 GMT
The 76ers would be so stacked if they were actually decent at drafting. They basically have nothing to show for the 2013 (Nerlens + MCW), 2015 (Okafor), and 2017 (Fultz) drafts. Idk, MCW and Noel could have been decent if they had been coached correctly. Plus that draft sucked anyway. Okafor was a terrible choice as evidenced by when I said it. Fultz was like 6-8 on my board based on my mood. Idk. dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/9034/jeremiahs-correct-2017-draft-tiers>Tier 1: These guys are stars in my opinion. I have Ball over Fultz but really can be considered 1a 1b. Pick your flavor. Lonzo Ball Markelle Fultz
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2018 0:29:28 GMT
Fultz has some physical and mental problems right now. But what we are seeing now is clearly nothing like the prospect we saw at Udub.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 25, 2018 9:32:40 GMT
I'm guessing Fultz's shoulder is majorly messed up? Nobody just forgets to know how to shoot like that. At Washington I was really hyped on his jumper because he had such a high release. Surely there must be some kind of physical barrier he's trying to fight through?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 25, 2018 17:05:26 GMT
Idk, MCW and Noel could have been decent if they had been coached correctly. Plus that draft sucked anyway. Okafor was a terrible choice as evidenced by when I said it. Fultz was like 6-8 on my board based on my mood. Idk. dynasty5ive.proboards.com/thread/9034/jeremiahs-correct-2017-draft-tiers>Tier 1: These guys are stars in my opinion. I have Ball over Fultz but really can be considered 1a 1b. Pick your flavor. Lonzo Ball Markelle Fultz You'll notice I took Mitchell who's not on the list. That was a really early tier list as well. Before the tourney when you really don't have the full picture. I remember shifting Fultz down to like 6 on my final bigboard.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jan 26, 2018 21:52:01 GMT
Confirmed, it's all mental. Can't do that with a hurt shoulder..
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 26, 2018 22:41:52 GMT
Confirmed, it's all mental. Can't do that with a hurt shoulder.. I wonder if he's just pulling this shit cause Embiid and Simmons got to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:56:09 GMT
Confirmed, it's all mental. Can't do that with a hurt shoulder.. I'm down for this to be his FT form
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 26, 2018 23:36:22 GMT
I drafted Simmons thinking he would never develop a decent jump shot. I still don't think Simmons will ever be a good shooter. He might become a bit Blake Griffin at most. But with him and Giannis it doesn't hugely matter because they're elitely athletic freaks of nature who can play the point. Maybe it's just a bad example you chose, but Blake Griffin is shooting 78.5% from the line and 32.4% from 3 (on a HUGE increase in 3's per game, at 5.7 a game up from 1.9 last year). Really, this is just me laying seeds for Blake's rating change thread that I'll eventually put up.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 27, 2018 1:49:01 GMT
I drafted Simmons thinking he would never develop a decent jump shot. I still don't think Simmons will ever be a good shooter. He might become a bit Blake Griffin at most. But with him and Giannis it doesn't hugely matter because they're elitely athletic freaks of nature who can play the point. Maybe it's just a bad example you chose, but Blake Griffin is shooting 78.5% from the line and 32.4% from 3 (on a HUGE increase in 3's per game, at 5.7 a game up from 1.9 last year). Really, this is just me laying seeds for Blake's rating change thread that I'll eventually put up. My only big down on Blake this year is that he's shooting just a bit too much for his efficiency from 3 and I expected him to explode without Chris Paul. He's having a weird year. He's dating one of the Kardashians and that's never good for athletes. Tristan Thompson doing the same thing is sinking the Cavs season.
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Post by Alex English on Feb 9, 2018 20:53:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 22:17:35 GMT
At this point I just want to know that 2k will be putting his FT form into the game so I can have some fun through the pain
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 9, 2018 22:35:49 GMT
Sad day in Utah Jazz land. @riogho the Sacramento Kings has waived Georgios Papagiannis: www.si.com/nba/2018/02/08/georgios-papagiannis-kings-first-round-pick-waivedThey cut him in favour of Bruno Caboclo. Read into that any way you like. Remember when Ujuri mega reached for him from an undrafted ranked guy to the first round and we all traded him around like 40 times that first season? I've seen his G League stats. He's had 3yrs to show me something and I just dont see it. If he gets run in Sactown he might be able to give us a glimmer of what Ujuri saw.
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Post by Alex English on Feb 10, 2018 0:26:54 GMT
Remember when Ujuri mega reached for him from an undrafted ranked guy to the first round and we all traded him around like 40 times that first season? I've seen his G League stats. He's had 3yrs to show me something and I just dont see it. If he gets run in Sactown he might be able to give us a glimmer of what Ujuri saw. I'm still a believer that he can be a serviceable NBA player. He's an above average defender because of his crazy length and physical profile. His jump shot is fine too. He's got the tools to be a 3andD SF like a poor man's Otto Porter or something. He has improved a lot since the Raptors drafted him. Athletically though, his progress has been a disappointing imo. He's a little slow on his feet and looks kind of clunky sometimes when he plays. It's almost like he's too out of proportion where whatever it is that lets Giannis maintain elite coordination and motor skills, Bruno doesn't quite have it. Given his physical profile and the potential he had as an extremely raw 18 year old, I think the gamble Ujiri made in that draft was totally fine. I still wish Bruno the best. His debut against the Bucks in his rookie game was legendary, I was at the arena and the game was complete madness. So there will always be that lol.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 10, 2018 1:32:05 GMT
He shoots sub 40% that doesn't bode well. I mean he's got in my mind till his 23rd year to show something otherwise he's kinda just tools with no use.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 12, 2018 13:59:55 GMT
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 13, 2018 8:54:05 GMT
This link kills me. streamable.com/12ld0Not only should Jahlil have gotten like three straight defensive 3 second calls, but he is completely absent on getting even relatively close to his man who is just standing still and basically setting infinite picks until the Clippers run what is essentially a 2 on 1 pick and roll. And to top it off, when the Clippers finally do come into the paint, Jahlil can't elevate more than 6 inches off the ground so he throws his body into the shooter and gives up the And-1. I was excited when he got traded to the Nets, but this guy honestly shouldn't be in the league. Thanks for the 1st round pick, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 13, 2018 13:32:06 GMT
This link kills me. streamable.com/12ld0Not only should Jahlil have gotten like three straight defensive 3 second calls, but he is completely absent on getting even relatively close to his man who is just standing still and basically setting infinite picks until the Clippers run what is essentially a 2 on 1 pick and roll. And to top it off, when the Clippers finally do come into the paint, Jahlil can't elevate more than 6 inches off the ground so he throws his body into the shooter and gives up the And-1. I was excited when he got traded to the Nets, but this guy honestly shouldn't be in the league. Thanks for the 1st round pick, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar I told everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 13:38:35 GMT
In Fultz, I try to see the positives. He was a complete player in most facets of the game, at least on the offensive end, his rebounding and shot creation for others is still there. Something happened to him and now he can't shoot. Is it mental? Is it physical? I think either of those is alright. The kid is 19 years old with a bunch of experience and a ridiculous work ethic. You can watch him do pull up jumpers and still see his form from UW. He has to retrain his muscle memory for jumpers. The question is -- I guess -- how long will that take? Does anyone really believe that a player with his talent, history, and drive can spend every day practicing shooting the ball and not figure it out? We are talking timescales of years here. If his pull up jumper was also broken, or he was 25, I'd be pulling my hair out. Fultz has time, we aren't trying to teach Andre Roberson how to shoot. My guess is Fultz comes back next season with an improved but still hitchy jumper, but I think it's just a matter of time until it comes back at least nearly all the way. Everyone thinks he is completely fucked but there are plenty of players in the NBA that learned to shoot after age 19 who could never shoot. Fultz just has to get it back. This seems like the most overlooked point to me. People are getting hyped on the strangeness of the story, and holy fuck is it sure strange, but an NBA player going from not being able to shoot to being able to shoot happens all the time. And we have video evidence of Fultz shooting great for a decade. The only way I don't see it eventually getting better is if there is permnanet structural damage to his shoulder, and the videos I've been seeing don't seem to show that.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 13, 2018 15:14:23 GMT
In Fultz, I try to see the positives. He was a complete player in most facets of the game, at least on the offensive end, his rebounding and shot creation for others is still there. Something happened to him and now he can't shoot. Is it mental? Is it physical? I think either of those is alright. The kid is 19 years old with a bunch of experience and a ridiculous work ethic. You can watch him do pull up jumpers and still see his form from UW. He has to retrain his muscle memory for jumpers. The question is -- I guess -- how long will that take? Does anyone really believe that a player with his talent, history, and drive can spend every day practicing shooting the ball and not figure it out? We are talking timescales of years here. If his pull up jumper was also broken, or he was 25, I'd be pulling my hair out. Fultz has time, we aren't trying to teach Andre Roberson how to shoot. My guess is Fultz comes back next season with an improved but still hitchy jumper, but I think it's just a matter of time until it comes back at least nearly all the way. Everyone thinks he is completely fucked but there are plenty of players in the NBA that learned to shoot after age 19 who could never shoot. Fultz just has to get it back. This seems like the most overlooked point to me. People are getting hyped on the strangeness of the story, and holy fuck is it sure strange, but an NBA player going from not being able to shoot to being able to shoot happens all the time. And we have video evidence of Fultz shooting great for a decade. The only way I don't see it eventually getting better is if there is permnanet structural damage to his shoulder, and the videos I've been seeing don't seem to show that. I don't remember any stories of Fultz's "incredible work ethic" he didn't have much of a motor in college so I'm not sure where that's coming from. He has time yes, but I can't remember a single instance where a player has flat out forgotten how to shoot a ball. If he had come in like Fox or Marcus Smart and we were gambling on him getting a servicable jumper it'd be different. But neither of those guys had a skill and forgot how to do it. Thats never happened before. We have however seen players who suck at FT shoot one really good year from 3 in college and come in and suck at shooting. I think thats what happened. He came in was gonna be a below average 3pt shooter and FT shooter for at least 2 years, he had a minor injury and it completely messed up his development. AND since Philly has a reputation for lying about medical histories (see the Jrue trade) literally no one is gonna trade for him and he'll be playing 4rd fiddle to Simmons and Embiid and Saric his development into even a semblance of what some believed he could be (Lowry with less defense). That said, I also think Philly is just fine with letting players take a rookie year off for some reason. Who knows, I hope I'm wrong and he turns out OK, I don't wanna wish ill on anyone elses player but it don't look good.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 15:20:36 GMT
He has time yes, but I can't remember a single instance where a player has flat out forgotten how to shoot a ball. If he had come in like Fox or Marcus Smart and we were gambling on him getting a servicable jumper it'd be different. But neither of those guys had a skill and forgot how to do it. This is my biggest problem with most people's all-negative take on Fultz. First off, just because it's never happened before doesn't mean that it's not a problem that can (and is currently, slowly) being solved. You then make the argument that because he used to know how to shoot a ball it makes him less likely to learn how to shoot it again? Don't know if I buy that. Seems like erring on the less likely outcome of a scenario that no one has ever seen before. Again, it is weird, and completely unheard of, but that doesn't mean it's worse than having a marcus smart type jumper your whole life. We don't know. Honestly it makes way more sense to assume someone that used to be able to shoot is more likely to re-develop that skill than someone who never knew how. Just my 2 cents. The truth is no one has a fucking clue what is going on except Markelle himself, and maybe not even him. It's clearly a huge drop in his value, but I think the fact that he was a #1 pick will work in his favor in this case. Imagine if he went 7-8, how much less patient the NBA will be with him. Bennett stuck around for half a decade. Fultz has plenty of time, and again, he is just being sat because he is 'hurt' and needs to re-learn to shoot. There are players out there getting minutes in the NBA that are worse than Fultz w/no jumper.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 15:37:56 GMT
also fultz otb
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 14, 2018 20:11:18 GMT
Sorry not sorry
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 14, 2018 23:21:49 GMT
I told everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 1:41:56 GMT
Watch out you also told us Dragan Bender was better than Ben Simmons
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 15, 2018 9:24:38 GMT
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 15, 2018 12:48:48 GMT
Watch out you also told us Dragan Bender was better than Ben Simmons I wanted Ian to trade me the Simmons pick lol.
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