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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 2, 2017 20:02:31 GMT
GAME 1 of 5 SPACINGSPACINGSPAC | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPACINGSPAC | Oklahoma City Thunder | | @ | | Toronto Raptors |
| | Min | FGA | 3PT | FTA | Tov | Blk | Stl | Reb | Ast | Pts | DeMarcus Cousins | | 40 | 15/28 | 0/3 | 0/0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 12 | 4 | 30 | Mason Plumlee | | 44 | 2/7 | 0/0 | 0/1 | 5 | 1 | 2 | 10 | 4 | 4 | Kevin Durant | | 35 | 7/18 | 2/6 | 0/1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 5 | 16 | Wesley Matthews | | 23 | 1/2 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 5 | 2 | Tyreke Evans | | 33 | 3/8 | 1/2 | 0/0 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 7 | Amir Johnson | | 16 | 2/4 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 1 | 3 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 4 | Nick Young | | 16 | 4/8 | 3/6 | 1/1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 12 | Tim Frazier | | 14 | 0/3 | 0/1 | 1/1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | Wesley Johnson | | 19 | 2/3 | 0/0 | 1/1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 2 | 5 | Terry Rozier | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Malachi Richardson | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Totals | | | 36/81 | 6/18 | 3/5 | 11 | 6 | 8 | 41 | 26 | 81 | SPACINGSPACINGSPACING | S | SPAC | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC |
| | Min | FGA | 3PT | FTA | Tov | Blk | Stl | Reb | Ast | Pts | Nikola Vucevic | | 28 | 4/7 | 0/1 | 4/4 | 3 | 1 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 12 | Paul Millsap | | 28 | 8/17 | 2/7 | 3/3 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 8 | 0 | 21 | Draymond Green | | 34 | 8/16 | 2/8 | 2/3 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 5 | 9 | 20 | DeMar DeRozan | | 34 | 9/15 | 0/0 | 2/2 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 6 | 20 | Kyle Lowry | | 36 | 6/18 | 2/10 | 2/3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 16 | 16 | Manu Ginobili | | 9 | 0/3 | 0/2 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | Evan Turner | | 11 | 2/4 | 0/0 | 1/1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 5 | Festus Ezeli | | 16 | 1/1 | 0/0 | 2/2 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 4 | 0 | 4 | Devin Harris | | 11 | 0/2 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | CJ Miles | | 11 | 4/5 | 0/0 | 2/3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 10 | Brandan Wright | | 22 | 1/2 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 1 | 2 | 0 | 5 | 1 | 2 | Luke Babbitt | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Bruno Caboclo | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Miles Plumlee | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Shabazz Napier | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Totals | | | 43/90 | 6/28 | 18/21 | 12 | 6 | 8 | 40 | 33 | 110 | SPACINGSPACINGSPACING | S | SPAC | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC |
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Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Nov 3, 2017 1:32:31 GMT
Well my ass hurts. Closest I've been to being bisexual.
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 3, 2017 20:03:05 GMT
GAME 2 of 5 SPACINGSPACINGSPAC | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPACINGSPAC | Oklahoma City Thunder | | @ | | Toronto Raptors |
| | Min | FGA | 3PT | FTA | Tov | Blk | Stl | Reb | Ast | Pts | DeMarcus Cousins | | 31 | 14/18 | 3/4 | 1/3 | 2 | 3 | 1 | 7 | 3 | 32 | Mason Plumlee | | 41 | 1/6 | 1/2 | 2/2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 12 | 2 | 5 | Kevin Durant | | 42 | 11/22 | 4/8 | 2/2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 9 | 10 | 28 | Wesley Matthews | | 27 | 3/6 | 0/2 | 1/1 | 3 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 0 | 7 | Tyreke Evans | | 42 | 8/17 | 1/4 | 1/2 | 3 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 11 | 18 | Amir Johnson | | 20 | 0/5 | 0/0 | 3/4 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 3 | Nick Young | | 9 | 3/3 | 3/3 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 9 | Tim Frazier | | 3 | 1/2 | 1/2 | 0/0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | Wesley Johnson | | 25 | 2/5 | 0/2 | 2/2 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 3 | 6 | Terry Rozier | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Malachi Richardson | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Totals | | | 43/84 | 13/27 | 12/16 | 13 | 6 | 8 | 42 | 32 | 111 | SPACINGSPACINGSPACING | S | SPAC | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC |
| | Min | FGA | 3PT | FTA | Tov | Blk | Stl | Reb | Ast | Pts | Nikola Vucevic | | 38 | 3/4 | 0/0 | 4/4 | 5 | 0 | 3 | 9 | 1 | 10 | Paul Millsap | | 35 | 8/18 | 1/4 | 0/0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | 8 | 5 | 17 | Draymond Green | | 30 | 6/15 | 2/3 | 4/4 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 7 | 7 | 18 | DeMar DeRozan | | 40 | 7/19 | 0/1 | 4/6 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 7 | 2 | 18 | Kyle Lowry | | 36 | 6/14 | 4/8 | 5/5 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 11 | 21 | Manu Ginobili | | 22 | 5/15 | 3/9 | 1/2 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 4 | 14 | Evan Turner | | 8 | 1/1 | 0/0 | 1/1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | Festus Ezeli | | 11 | 1/1 | 0/0 | 1/1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | Devin Harris | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | CJ Miles | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Brandan Wright | | 20 | 4/5 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 5 | 0 | 8 | Luke Babbitt | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Bruno Caboclo | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Miles Plumlee | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Shabazz Napier | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Totals | | | 41/92 | 10/25 | 20/23 | 11 | 5 | 9 | 41 | 30 | 112 | SPACINGSPACINGSPACING | S | SPAC | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC |
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Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Nov 3, 2017 20:40:33 GMT
Free throw margin in this series is crazy. Blaming the refs.
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 3, 2017 20:46:43 GMT
Free throw margin in this series is crazy. Blaming the refs. Take that for data
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Kevin Hollis
Former Thunder GM for 7 years
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Nov 4, 2017 0:10:23 GMT
Not that it is s big deal since it is preseason, but is Wesley Johnson playing SG? I have him as SF. The minutes between Mathews and young don't make up what would be the total. Will the sim place players at random positions sometimes?
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 4, 2017 10:02:01 GMT
Not that it is s big deal since it is preseason, but is Wesley Johnson playing SG? I have him as SF. The minutes between Mathews and young don't make up what would be the total. Will the sim place players at random positions sometimes? My mistake, I had Johnson as a SG. He's a SF now.
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 4, 2017 10:23:17 GMT
GAME 3 of 5 SPACINGSPACINGSPAC | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPACINGSPAC | Toronto Raptors | | @ | | Oklahoma City Thunder |
| | Min | FGA | 3PT | FTA | Tov | Blk | Stl | Reb | Ast | Pts | Nikola Vucevic | | 40 | 5/9 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 10 | 2 | 10 | Paul Millsap | | 27 | 6/13 | 2/7 | 1/2 | 5 | 1 | 1 | 9 | 4 | 15 | Draymond Green | | 38 | 7/19 | 1/5 | 3/5 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 10 | 4 | 18 | DeMar DeRozan | | 39 | 4/13 | 0/2 | 2/2 | 3 | 0 | 2 | 6 | 5 | 10 | Kyle Lowry | | 37 | 5/17 | 1/6 | 2/2 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 4 | 8 | 13 | Manu Ginobili | | 17 | 3/10 | 1/6 | 0/0 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 7 | Evan Turner | | 11 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 2/2 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 2 | Festus Ezeli | | 14 | 2/3 | 0/0 | 0/1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 4 | Devin Harris | | 3 | 0/2 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | CJ Miles | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Brandan Wright | | 14 | 2/3 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 4 | Luke Babbitt | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Bruno Caboclo | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Miles Plumlee | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Shabazz Napier | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Totals | | | 34/89 | 5/26 | 10/14 | 12 | 6 | 9 | 46 | 26 | 83 | SPACINGSPACINGSPACING | S | SPAC | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC |
| | Min | FGA | 3PT | FTA | Tov | Blk | Stl | Reb | Ast | Pts | DeMarcus Cousins | | 37 | 5/17 | 0/2 | 2/2 | 1 | 1 | 3 | 13 | 3 | 12 | Mason Plumlee | | 29 | 2/5 | 0/0 | 1/1 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 9 | 0 | 5 | Kevin Durant | | 41 | 16/28 | 6/8 | 1/1 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 6 | 8 | 39 | Wesley Matthews | | 32 | 3/3 | 0/0 | 2/2 | 4 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 8 | Tyreke Evans | | 26 | 6/10 | 1/1 | 2/2 | 2 | 2 | 1 | 3 | 5 | 15 | Amir Johnson | | 12 | 0/3 | 0/2 | 1/1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 0 | 1 | Nick Young | | 27 | 7/10 | 4/6 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 6 | 18 | Tim Frazier | | 16 | 0/7 | 0/3 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 0 | Wesley Johnson | | 3 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Terry Rozier | | 13 | 1/1 | 0/0 | 1/1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | Malachi Richardson | | 4 | 1/1 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | Totals | | | 41/85 | 11/22 | 10/10 | 12 | 6 | 9 | 41 | 30 | 103 | SPACINGSPACINGSPACING | S | SPAC | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC |
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 5, 2017 13:05:49 GMT
GAME 4 of 5 SPACINGSPACINGSPAC | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPACINGSPAC | Toronto Raptors | | @ | | Oklahoma City Thunder |
| | Min | FGA | 3PT | FTA | Tov | Blk | Stl | Reb | Ast | Pts | Nikola Vucevic | | 41 | 3/4 | 0/0 | 3/3 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 12 | 2 | 9 | Paul Millsap | | 45 | 7/15 | 3/6 | 6/8 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 11 | 4 | 23 | Draymond Green | | 32 | 6/14 | 2/5 | 2/2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 7 | 5 | 16 | DeMar DeRozan | | 43 | 16/30 | 2/5 | 5/5 | 2 | 0 | 2 | 4 | 7 | 39 | Kyle Lowry | | 40 | 5/16 | 5/13 | 1/2 | 1 | 3 | 1 | 3 | 11 | 16 | Manu Ginobili | | 9 | 3/5 | 2/4 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 8 | Evan Turner | | 7 | 1/3 | 0/1 | 0/0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 2 | Festus Ezeli | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Devin Harris | | 7 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | 1 | 1 | 0 | CJ Miles | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Brandan Wright | | 16 | 1/2 | 0/0 | 0/1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 1 | 2 | Luke Babbitt | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Bruno Caboclo | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Miles Plumlee | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Shabazz Napier | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Totals | | | 42/89 | 14/34 | 17/21 | 12 | 6 | 9 | 42 | 32 | 115 | SPACINGSPACINGSPACING | S | SPAC | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC |
| | Min | FGA | 3PT | FTA | Tov | Blk | Stl | Reb | Ast | Pts | DeMarcus Cousins | | 37 | 6/14 | 1/2 | 2/5 | 3 | 2 | 4 | 12 | 3 | 15 | Mason Plumlee | | 36 | 2/3 | 0/0 | 1/2 | 2 | 3 | 2 | 6 | 2 | 5 | Kevin Durant | | 37 | 18/23 | 5/8 | 5/6 | 2 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 13 | 46 | Wesley Matthews | | 35 | 4/7 | 2/4 | 1/1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 5 | 5 | 11 | Tyreke Evans | | 37 | 4/16 | 2/5 | 2/2 | 2 | 1 | 2 | 3 | 5 | 12 | Amir Johnson | | 22 | 4/8 | 0/0 | 1/1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 6 | 1 | 9 | Nick Young | | 16 | 5/5 | 5/5 | 1/1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 16 | Tim Frazier | | 12 | 2/7 | 0/0 | 1/2 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 5 | Wesley Johnson | | 6 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Terry Rozier | | 2 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Malachi Richardson | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Totals | | | 45/83 | 15/24 | 14/20 | 12 | 6 | 9 | 37 | 33 | 119 | SPACINGSPACINGSPACING | S | SPAC | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC |
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Post by Ian Noble on Nov 6, 2017 18:23:00 GMT
GAME 5 of 5 SPACINGSPACINGSPAC | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPA | SPACINGSPACINGSPAC | Oklahoma City Thunder | | @ | | Toronto Raptors |
| | Min | FGA | 3PT | FTA | Tov | Blk | Stl | Reb | Ast | Pts | DeMarcus Cousins | | 35 | 10/17 | 2/5 | 0/1 | 2 | 4 | 1 | 13 | 5 | 22 | Mason Plumlee | | 35 | 1/4 | 0/0 | 1/2 | 1 | 1 | 1 | 6 | 6 | 3 | Kevin Durant | | 39 | 10/20 | 2/7 | 3/3 | 4 | 0 | 0 | 4 | 5 | 25 | Wesley Matthews | | 25 | 1/6 | 0/2 | 0/0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 2 | Tyreke Evans | | 29 | 1/13 | 0/2 | 2/2 | 4 | 1 | 3 | 3 | 3 | 4 | Amir Johnson | | 32 | 6/12 | 0/2 | 3/3 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 8 | 0 | 15 | Nick Young | | 21 | 3/5 | 3/5 | 1/1 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | 1 | 10 | Tim Frazier | | 7 | 2/2 | 1/1 | 1/1 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 6 | Wesley Johnson | | 4 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Terry Rozier | | 8 | 1/4 | 1/1 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 3 | Malachi Richardson | | 5 | 1/1 | 0/0 | 0/1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2 | Totals | | | 36/84 | 9/25 | 11/14 | 13 | 6 | 9 | 38 | 26 | 92 | SPACINGSPACINGSPACING | S | SPAC | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC |
| | Min | FGA | 3PT | FTA | Tov | Blk | Stl | Reb | Ast | Pts | Nikola Vucevic | | 31 | 1/3 | 0/0 | 1/3 | 2 | 0 | 1 | 6 | 2 | 3 | Paul Millsap | | 44 | 8/22 | 1/2 | 3/4 | 3 | 1 | 1 | 15 | 6 | 20 | Draymond Green | | 27 | 6/9 | 2/3 | 3/6 | 2 | 1 | 0 | 10 | 4 | 17 | DeMar DeRozan | | 35 | 11/20 | 0/1 | 1/2 | 1 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 5 | 23 | Kyle Lowry | | 46 | 14/24 | 8/13 | 1/3 | 3 | 2 | 3 | 3 | 9 | 37 | Manu Ginobili | | 10 | 3/4 | 1/2 | 1/2 | 0 | 0 | 2 | 2 | 4 | 8 | Evan Turner | | 13 | 1/2 | 1/1 | 0/0 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 3 | 3 | Festus Ezeli | | 18 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 1 | 0 | 2 | 0 | 0 | Devin Harris | | 3 | 1/1 | 1/1 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 1 | 3 | CJ Miles | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Brandan Wright | | 13 | 1/1 | 0/0 | 1/1 | 1 | 0 | 0 | 3 | 1 | 3 | Luke Babbitt | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Bruno Caboclo | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Miles Plumlee | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Shabazz Napier | | 0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0/0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | 0 | Totals | | | 46/86 | 14/23 | 11/21 | 13 | 7 | 9 | 46 | 35 | 117 | SPACINGSPACINGSPACING | S | SPAC | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPACIN | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC | SPAC |
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Nov 6, 2017 19:18:54 GMT
wooopy
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Nov 6, 2017 19:56:26 GMT
WE all know if this was real life Lowry would have choked. Where is the clutch factor zero?
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Nov 6, 2017 20:20:54 GMT
WE all know if this was real life Lowry would have choked. Where is the clutch factor zero?
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