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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2017 23:19:24 GMT
What's it like living in a bubble when you have free access to nearly unlimited information?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Aug 27, 2017 5:56:17 GMT
I remember that several days after even god damn Mitch McConnell was like "WTF Trump just say Nazis are bad you fucking retard!"
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 3, 2017 15:22:58 GMT
#groupthink
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 4, 2017 15:09:56 GMT
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Post by Ian Noble on Sept 4, 2017 15:46:05 GMT
Moving this to "Off Topic Discussion" (aka. Politics )
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 4, 2017 17:40:34 GMT
That is a great debate tactic! You are trying to get everyone to forget about the substance of my claim, the fact that Trump denounced every white supremacist group known to man, by attacking my intelligence simply because I disagree with you. Forgetting individual intelligence for a second, why does it even matter if I am a moron to begin with? We all know that I am more intelligent than you by every standard imaginable, but again why does that matter in this conversation? We all have different opinions, obviously, but I thought the left was supposed to be about respect and tolerance? Am I really an idiot for believing that Donald Trump when he stated that he denounced white hate groups? Factually, you have no more to go off than I do. Therefore, why do you make it about intelligence? I don't think your opinion on this issue has anything to do with your intelligence level or any other person's intelligence level in any way, shape, or form. In this polarized world, a person is forced to pick a side and try their best to construct truth from the information given. I try to consider both sides, but again it is hard in a world where we disagree over FACTS, or things that are supposed to be true. Again, this practice has NOTHING to do with intelligence.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 4, 2017 17:41:10 GMT
Moving this to "Off Topic Discussion" (aka. Politics ) There is where it should have been all along as the NBA Players, including KAT, are attempting to advance a political agenda.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 4, 2017 18:20:47 GMT
Moving this to "Off Topic Discussion" (aka. Politics ) There is where it should have been all along as the NBA Players, including KAT, are attempting to advance a political agenda. Oh yeah that political agenda of not wanting a fucking white supremecist running the country. Do you fucking hear yourself?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 4, 2017 18:23:19 GMT
This goes beyond conservative and liberal. Its bad when god damned Mitch McConnell and Tim Ryan are like "wow you're a racist peice of shit".
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 5, 2017 2:39:08 GMT
There is where it should have been all along as the NBA Players, including KAT, are attempting to advance a political agenda. Oh yeah that political agenda of not wanting a fucking white supremecist running the country. Do you fucking hear yourself? Yes, I do hear myself. What are you even talking about?
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 5, 2017 2:41:00 GMT
This goes beyond conservative and liberal. Its bad when god damned Mitch McConnell and Tim Ryan are like "wow you're a racist peice of shit". *Paul Ryan, Tim Ryan is a Democrat.You are right, it has gone beyond conservative and liberal. I am willing to admit I was wrong about one thing; the establishment conservatives are not really conservative and only pretend to be in order to protect their donors. That should appeal to most people whether they feel the Bern or want to make America Great Again.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 5, 2017 23:05:51 GMT
This goes beyond conservative and liberal. Its bad when god damned Mitch McConnell and Tim Ryan are like "wow you're a racist peice of shit". *Paul Ryan, Tim Ryan is a Democrat.You are right, it has gone beyond conservative and liberal. I am willing to admit I was wrong about one thing; the establishment conservatives are not really conservative and only pretend to be in order to protect their donors. That should appeal to most people whether they feel the Bern or want to make America Great Again. Eh, between Paul Ryan, Tim Ryan and Matt Ryan from fantasy football I've got em mixed up. You knew what I meant lol.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 9, 2017 0:17:07 GMT
Eh, between Paul Ryan, Tim Ryan and Matt Ryan from fantasy football I've got em mixed up. You knew what I meant lol. Yes sir, I did as I noted in my post above. To summarize this conversation; You are entitled to your opinion but please try to refrain from "shamming" me into seeing your point of view.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 9, 2017 1:20:53 GMT
Shaming is stupid and a stupid thing people bring up.
I'm criticizing you're viewpoint because to me only shows that you've been completely indoctrinated to the point of delusion.
Trump could have gone up the day of the Charlottesville bullshit happened and said "Nazis are bad" and walked away completely in the right, everyone would have jerked him off for finally doing one thing right.
But no, he empowered a bunch of white supremecists by trying to shift blame. Because at this point white nationalists, neo-nazis and a few indoctrinated folks are the only people still actively supporting him. I work at a company that had a MAGA banner over it when I went in for an interview and even they are getting tired of the stupid and asinine things coming out of the White House.
I'll talk about any issue you want and be completely honest about it but saying that he did anything other than attempt to legitimize white supremecy and nazi sympathizers is absolutely false.
And don't give me this well "He didn't mean that" I don't give a shit. When Reagan destabalized the Middle East he didn't mean to indirectly give rise to radical Islamic terrorism but thats exactly what the hell he did.
What people say and do still has consequences and moreso when those things come from the most important man in the world.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 9, 2017 13:57:01 GMT
Shaming is stupid and a stupid thing people bring up. I'm criticizing you're viewpoint because to me only shows that you've been completely indoctrinated to the point of delusion. Trump could have gone up the day of the Charlottesville bullshit happened and said "Nazis are bad" and walked away completely in the right, everyone would have jerked him off for finally doing one thing right. But no, he empowered a bunch of white supremecists by trying to shift blame. Because at this point white nationalists, neo-nazis and a few indoctrinated folks are the only people still actively supporting him. I work at a company that had a MAGA banner over it when I went in for an interview and even they are getting tired of the stupid and asinine things coming out of the White House. I'll talk about any issue you want and be completely honest about it but saying that he did anything other than attempt to legitimize white supremecy and nazi sympathizers is absolutely false. And don't give me this well "He didn't mean that" I don't give a shit. When Reagan destabalized the Middle East he didn't mean to indirectly give rise to radical Islamic terrorism but thats exactly what the hell he did. What people say and do still has consequences and moreso when those things come from the most important man in the world. You are upset about his timing which is fine with me. It is disingenuous and unfair, however, to say he supports white supremacists when he clearly does not. I try not to watch the news so it does not taint my view of policy and history when I teach it, but I remember wondering at the time "how do you [the media] know these people are white supremacists?" I think they later admitted to it, but it does not make you a white supremacists to not want to take down a Confederate Statue. Maybe Trump wanted to be fair and know all the facts before he decides who acted stupidly? He also denounced black hate groups which I found refreshing and am waiting for the media and the Democratic Party to do. In my personal opinion, the person on the statute should matter. If a persons know anything about history, they should know that Robert E. Lee is clearly the best Confederate Symbol because he only seceded to stay with his home state of Virginia, refused to fight a guerilla campaign when Grant clearly beat him and instead surrendered at Appomattox, and later prayed and took communion at a big church in VA with an African-American. In contrast, I think someone like Nathan Bedford Forrest should be taken down AND PUT INTO A MUSEUM, not destroyed, because he was a great cavalry commander despite his moral flaws. The more important reason I am not going to say that Confederate Symbols should be taken down is the precedent it will create moving forward. If Confederate Symbols should not be displayed because they owned slaves [or whatever], then why not take down American Symbols before 1865 or even after in 1965? Seriously, we will end up with a society that only features abolitionists as symbols including the nutty John Brown. I am not fan of the Confederacy and am glad they lost the Civil War, but I am a big big big fan of the American Revolutionaries (sorry Ian.) It would be a huge loss to society if we have to take down statues of Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Hamilton, and other Founding Fathers that owned slaves. That would leave John Adams who, in my opinion, is one of the lesser Founding Fathers. Despite owning slaves, which is bad, they created a form of government that has endured to this day and helped millions of people, even non-Americans, rise out of the flames of oppression and make better lives for themselves. Jeremiah or anyone else can disagree with this post all they want, but to call me, Donald Trump, or anyone who disagrees with you a racist simply because we disagree is wrong, an example of group-think, and the very antithesis to the 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 9, 2017 20:55:24 GMT
You know they are white supremecists because the fucker organizing the thing is a former KKK Grand Wizard and many of them are saying things such as "White Power". That combined with Nazi and Confederate symbols is enough evidence for me.
It seems as if your burden of proof is different based on what your source is. "Jeeze, just because these people are wearing Nazi equipment doesn't mean their racist, I'm gonna need some more proof."
Come on Vlade I know you aren't a moron but you're acting like one.
Quite frankly I don't give a shit about the statues, if they want them up, fine. But typically when one side wins a war the other side doesn't get to keep all their bullshit. If it is indeed about preserving history should they not be placed in one of the many, MANY museums that are spread throughout the south dedicated to civil war history?
Why is it so important for these symbols, which represent slavery and white supremacy to be out in front of government buildings?
And to your comments about what Trump said, meant to say or why said it is EXACTLY what I said you were gonna do. He said what he said and thats that. Karl Towns said it best, he had a layup to just say "Nazi's are bad, racists are bad" but no, he couldn't say that because everyone at those white nationalist rallies supports him. The black guy on Fox News that supported Trump hardcore fucking cried after he said what he said in response.
He only came back out to change what he said after the Republican party collectively lost their shit at what he said. That's not real, real Trump is when he's just up there saying random shit. That second one was written for him as damage control.
Donald Trump is the swamp.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 22:49:12 GMT
Most of what Jeremiah has said here has been too abrasive and over the top but that last post is legit
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 10, 2017 19:30:13 GMT
You know they are white supremecists because the fucker organizing the thing is a former KKK Grand Wizard and many of them are saying things such as "White Power". That combined with Nazi and Confederate symbols is enough evidence for me. It seems as if your burden of proof is different based on what your source is. "Jeeze, just because these people are wearing Nazi equipment doesn't mean their racist, I'm gonna need some more proof." I saw Confederate Flags but no Nazi Symbols; I guess it has a different meaning down here as I see Confederate Flags all the time. I guess if you want to say the Confederate Flag = racism then okay, but the people that have them would talk about "heritage, not hate." While I have never really thought about it that much nor do I care that much, I know a lot of good people who are really into the Confederate Flag. Again, why the name calling? I have tried my best to be respectful of your views, yet you keep calling me names. I actually agree with your logic here, but I said why it matters in the post before (if the Confederates are racist because they owned slaves, then why aren't the Founding Fathers?) In fact, I taught Reconstruction for the first time last week and it occurred to me that there is nothing in World History like it before. I even told my class that most traitors get shot, and I thought to myself maybe things would be better had the ex-Confederates been shot back then. Lincoln getting shot really hurt the nation as he wanted to bring the Confederate States back into the Union as states rather than territories because the President has oversight of the former while Congress deals with matters of the latter. It really was a weird and awkward situation for everyone involved in the process. You said the winners write history which is usually correct, but it almost feels like the Confederates wrote the history of the Civil War until recently. I answered this above and in my last post, but they have been up for around 150 years. Therefore, why it is so important that we take it down now? Can we at least talk about it before we destroy them? I think you and most reasonable people would agree with me that destroying them is not the right answer either. Two wrongs do not make a right in my opinion. Furthermore, this "mob mentality" reminds me of the Dark Ages. I honestly think we are heading back there if we cannot learn to stay calm and air our differences peacefully. Also, I think we, as a nation and probably a world, need to read some Edmund Burke to counter this radical/revolutionary spirit that is being taught in colleges and public schools around the United States. While slow changes obviously keeps people "oppressed" for a little bit longer, it also prevents the very fabric of society from being destroyed by mob rule. The Founders feared this and you can see why today; Again, they have some legitimate complaints about society, but their disregard for the rule of law is appalling and can only lead to Dark Ages-type situation. Again, conservatives like to know the facts so that they do not act stupidly. Liberals are the ones who are reactionary and get upset without concrete evidence. I simply disagree with your assertion that Nazi symbols were present at the initial protests, and it makes sense to have Confederate Flags at a protest supporting Confederate Statutes. Besides, the Black Lives Matter people started the violence as they often do in these situations. Again, I am waiting for the media, the DNC, and KAT to denounce Black Supremacist Groups. You are good at running your mouth, but you have no facts to back this assertion. Ha, you are so misguided on this statement! Whatever you think of Trump or Bernie, they both want to drain the swam and give power back to we, the people. I knew the Democrats were bad, but man the Republicans are just as bad because they give a conservative hope and then fail to live up to their promises during an election. Unless something changes, I am voting against John Coryn in the Republican Primary because I am tired of this "country club" mentality in Washington. Honestly, I might rather "feel the Bern" than deal with the status quo because it has become obvious to me that we, the people, have to defeat both parties in order to form a more perfect union. We can keep going back and forth if you want, Jeremiah, but I will quit arguing with you if you will at least admit that you are upset with Trump's timing rather what he actually said when he vehemently denounced many white hate groups.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 11, 2017 0:53:39 GMT
"Whatever you think of Trump or Bernie, they both want to drain the swam and give power back to we, the people." Trump sure as fuck has a pretty weird way of showing it what with every one of his hires being the exact same fucks we're trying to take the country back from. This is how delusional you are with him.
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 14, 2017 0:54:57 GMT
"Whatever you think of Trump or Bernie, they both want to drain the swam and give power back to we, the people." Trump sure as fuck has a pretty weird way of showing it what with every one of his hires being the exact same fucks we're trying to take the country back from. This is how delusional you are with him. Lol...I am really trying to be nice here, but you keep acting like a fucking moron. Donald Trump's Cabinet - Sources: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/politics/donald-trump-administration.htmlRex Tillerson = Secretary of State - I hardly call the former CEO of Exon "an insider." You will probably talk about some sort of abstract and unproven "rich oligarchy" bullshit, but Tillerson is a political outsider whether you like it or not. Steve Mnuchin = Secretary of Treasury - same as Tillerson. Mattis = Defense, John Kelly = Chief of Staff - I hardly call generals "political insiders." Regardless of ideology or party, we should respect these men as honorable men who will do what is best for our country until given a reason to doubt them. Jeff Sessions = Attorney General - Sure, he is a political insider via being a Senator from Alabama for 30 years. With that said, however, Sessions is the most "outside" insider in the Republican Party. Ben Carson = Secretary of Housing - The guy was a poverty stricken minorities in Detroit who became a fucking brain surgeon; Sounds like rich, evil, white and political insider to me! Betty DeVos = the most hated woman in America because she wants to reform the education system. That sounds like a revolutionary to me if I have ever heard of one. Rick Perry = Secretary of Energy - Rick was the governor of the MOST SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIC state in the union. I am not just saying this because I live in the state, but all of the facts back me up on this. How does that scream insider? Trying to bring a little bit of what works in Austin to Washington D.C. is EXACTLY what we need! Do not try to say we are not diverse enough as Texas possesses six of the top twenty biggest cities in the United States AND has one of the biggest Hispanic populations in the country.
The only huge insider I see are Nikki Haley (whom I despise) and Elaine Chao (Mitch McConnell's wife.) Seriously Jeremiah, don't let facts get in the way of your argument about Trump. This just shows how weak your arguments really are!
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Sept 14, 2017 2:29:29 GMT
Lol...I am really trying to be nice here, but you keep acting like a fucking moron. Donald Trump's Cabinet - Sources: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/politics/donald-trump-administration.htmlRex Tillerson = Secretary of State - I hardly call the former CEO of Exon "an insider." You will probably talk about some sort of abstract and unproven "rich oligarchy" bullshit, but Tillerson is a political outsider whether you like it or not. Steve Mnuchin = Secretary of Treasury - same as Tillerson. Mattis = Defense, John Kelly = Chief of Staff - I hardly call generals "political insiders." Regardless of ideology or party, we should respect these men as honorable men who will do what is best for our country until given a reason to doubt them. Jeff Sessions = Attorney General - Sure, he is a political insider via being a Senator from Alabama for 30 years. With that said, however, Sessions is the most "outside" insider in the Republican Party. Ben Carson = Secretary of Housing - The guy was a poverty stricken minorities in Detroit who became a fucking brain surgeon; Sounds like rich, evil, white and political insider to me! Betty DeVos = the most hated woman in America because she wants to reform the education system. That sounds like a revolutionary to me if I have ever heard of one. Rick Perry = Secretary of Energy - Rick was the governor of the MOST SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIC state in the union. I am not just saying this because I live in the state, but all of the facts back me up on this. How does that scream insider? Trying to bring a little bit of what works in Austin to Washington D.C. is EXACTLY what we need! Do not try to say we are not diverse enough as Texas possesses six of the top twenty biggest cities in the United States AND has one of the biggest Hispanic populations in the country.
The only huge insider I see are Nikki Haley (whom I despise) and Elaine Chao (Mitch McConnell's wife.) Seriously Jeremiah, don't let facts get in the way of your argument about Trump. This just shows how weak your arguments really are!
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 15, 2017 1:36:22 GMT
Lol...I am really trying to be nice here, but you keep acting like a fucking moron. Donald Trump's Cabinet - Sources: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/politics/donald-trump-administration.htmlRex Tillerson = Secretary of State - I hardly call the former CEO of Exon "an insider." You will probably talk about some sort of abstract and unproven "rich oligarchy" bullshit, but Tillerson is a political outsider whether you like it or not. Steve Mnuchin = Secretary of Treasury - same as Tillerson. Mattis = Defense, John Kelly = Chief of Staff - I hardly call generals "political insiders." Regardless of ideology or party, we should respect these men as honorable men who will do what is best for our country until given a reason to doubt them. Jeff Sessions = Attorney General - Sure, he is a political insider via being a Senator from Alabama for 30 years. With that said, however, Sessions is the most "outside" insider in the Republican Party. Ben Carson = Secretary of Housing - The guy was a poverty stricken minorities in Detroit who became a fucking brain surgeon; Sounds like rich, evil, white and political insider to me! Betty DeVos = the most hated woman in America because she wants to reform the education system. That sounds like a revolutionary to me if I have ever heard of one. Rick Perry = Secretary of Energy - Rick was the governor of the MOST SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIC state in the union. I am not just saying this because I live in the state, but all of the facts back me up on this. How does that scream insider? Trying to bring a little bit of what works in Austin to Washington D.C. is EXACTLY what we need! Do not try to say we are not diverse enough as Texas possesses six of the top twenty biggest cities in the United States AND has one of the biggest Hispanic populations in the country.
The only huge insider I see are Nikki Haley (whom I despise) and Elaine Chao (Mitch McConnell's wife.) Seriously Jeremiah, don't let facts get in the way of your argument about Trump. This just shows how weak your arguments really are! I'm not talking about insiders. I'm talking about the swamp. Rex Tillerson: A fucking Oil Tycoon. No wonder all the warnings of climate change have been wiped from our government databases. Wonder what POSSIBLE benefit an oil tycoon could have from being in a hi position of government. He's also another Putin croney. Exxon is one of the many companies who fund lobbying bullshit. This is an example where we just said, hey lobbyists come join our government. I find it no wonder that Trump wants to be friendly with Putin, his secretary of state has business interests there. Conflict of interest means nothing to Trump supporters though so I'm sure you don't really care. Steve Mnuchin: YEAHHHHH lets just give control of the economy to the same kind of fucks that ruined it in the first place. TOTALLY gonna act in the interest of middle class Americans and not a bunch of investment fucks by cutting regulations and trying to lower taxes on the rich and powerful. Mattis: Is legit the only one of these people who isn't a fuck. Jeff Sessions: Not necessarily racist but definitely has a history of questionable calls in regards to civil rights going way back. Wants to stop the legalization of marijuana, the convictions of which cause so many young people to start off their lives as criminals. Lets just stop all of that progress because some old fuck is still afraid of hippies. Legal Marijuana prevents crime and offers additional medical options to people suffering from horrifying diseases, that they can't get paid for because we don't have free health care yet. Source for his marijuana stupidity. Ben Carson: Is a moron about everything that isn't brain surgery. If I need brain surgery I'm gonna hope it's him doing it, but if I wanna have an intelligent conversation about ANYTHING else I'd honestly rather talk to you. Betsy Devos: Bought a position in our government!!!!!!!!!!!!! she gave 10 million dollars to have a major position within our government. Showing that Trump, apparently like most politicians can be bought just as easily. She has a major motivation to use our schooling system as a way to " advance God's Kingdom" in a nation founded on religious liberty I think this should appear as horrifying to you as the fact that she just bought a say in the way our country is ran. Rick Perry: The formerly indicted for abuse of official capacity Rick Perry? He was also indicted for coercing a public servant. But that's neither here nor there. You say it's great because he was good for his state's economy? Then why isn't he the fucking treasury guy? He has 0 background in energy, science or ANYTHING remotely related to the topic. "He was good at the economy so lets put him in charge of our crumbling electricity infrastructure" is almost as stupid as saying "This guy is sort of good at running casinos and being famous, lets put him in charge of our country". His cabinet is like the A-Team of incompetency and corruption and just like with that stupid Dreamers thing that Trump just took away and then gave right back show that Trump makes on the whim snap decisions with very little forethought or understanding of their consequences. It really doesn't matter because Robert Mueller is "going for the kill" in his Russian investigation and I don't think it's very long before Trump loses almost all of his support within the Republican party making it nothing but a waiting game until we can get a real president.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 15, 2017 1:38:49 GMT
1. Facebook has concluded that a 225,000-member anti-immigrant group that attempted to organize anti-Clinton rallies in Texas during the 2016 presidential campaign was "likely operated out of Russia," Business Insider reports. (It's not clear if anyone actually showed up at any of the rallies.) The Daily Beast reported on Monday that a similarly sketchy Russia-connected group targeted an Idaho town where the yogurt company Chobani employs resettled refugees.
2. Relatedly, Bloomberg reports that Mueller's investigation now involves a "red-hot" interest in 2016 social media activity by Russia-linked actors—and in the question of whether any of that activity was coordinated with the Trump campaign. Behold the Red Hot Mueller Peppers!
3. NBC News reports that Michael Flynn Jr., the son of former national security adviser Michael Flynn, is a "subject" of Mueller's probe. Flynn Jr. worked for his father's lobbying firm, the Flynn Intel Group; it's been previously reported that Mueller is looking into whether any of Flynn Sr.'s relationships (financial and otherwise) with figures in Russia and Turkey broke the law. A former federal prosecutor who worked on corruption cases speculates here that investigating Flynn Jr. might be a way to gain leverage and "flip" Flynn Sr.
4. It's been previously reported that Flynn Sr. was involved as a lobbyist in promoting a plan that involved U.S. and Russian companies seeking to build nuclear power plants in the Middle East; the Wall Street Journal now reports that he continued to promote the plan inside the Trump administration after he was named national security adviser. (For what it's worth, the Journal report quotes an anonymous source saying the plan is now "more of an 'American initiative'" rather than a joint initiative.)
Raise the meter for Mother Russia!
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Post by Alex English on Sept 15, 2017 3:41:33 GMT
This thread is really interesting. I think at this point, anyone still fully supporting Trump, will always do so, no matter what. Real life just isn't important. Vlade Divac are you sure you're not in a cult? Can you say anything bad about Donald Trump? Do you actually support everything he says and does? You really support Betsy DeVos? Because dude, that's pants on head retarded, no one supports Betsy DeVos. She literally paid for her cabinet position and could not be more unqualified. She's a revolutionary to you?
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 15, 2017 8:48:29 GMT
This thread is really interesting. I think at this point, anyone still fully supporting Trump, will always do so, no matter what. Real life just isn't important. Vlade Divac are you sure you're not in a cult? Can you say anything bad about Donald Trump? Do you actually support everything he says and does? You really support Betsy DeVos? Because dude, that's pants on head retarded, no one supports Betsy DeVos. She literally paid for her cabinet position and could not be more unqualified. She's a revolutionary to you? Can you define a cult, please? To answer your more legitimate question in paragraph two, I do not agree with everything Donald Trump has done or said in his life. If you notice and/or can read, I criticized his selection of Nikki Haley as UN Ambassador. While I can give you more examples of me disagreeing with him if you would like, I do not think my posts suggest that I agree with everything he says or does. Rather than defending myself, I would like to go on the offensive; Alex, do you agree with everything Karl Marx said or did?
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 15, 2017 8:49:06 GMT
Lol...I am really trying to be nice here, but you keep acting like a fucking moron. Donald Trump's Cabinet - Sources: www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/politics/donald-trump-administration.htmlRex Tillerson = Secretary of State - I hardly call the former CEO of Exon "an insider." You will probably talk about some sort of abstract and unproven "rich oligarchy" bullshit, but Tillerson is a political outsider whether you like it or not. Steve Mnuchin = Secretary of Treasury - same as Tillerson. Mattis = Defense, John Kelly = Chief of Staff - I hardly call generals "political insiders." Regardless of ideology or party, we should respect these men as honorable men who will do what is best for our country until given a reason to doubt them. Jeff Sessions = Attorney General - Sure, he is a political insider via being a Senator from Alabama for 30 years. With that said, however, Sessions is the most "outside" insider in the Republican Party. Ben Carson = Secretary of Housing - The guy was a poverty stricken minorities in Detroit who became a fucking brain surgeon; Sounds like rich, evil, white and political insider to me! Betty DeVos = the most hated woman in America because she wants to reform the education system. That sounds like a revolutionary to me if I have ever heard of one. Rick Perry = Secretary of Energy - Rick was the governor of the MOST SUCCESSFUL ECONOMIC state in the union. I am not just saying this because I live in the state, but all of the facts back me up on this. How does that scream insider? Trying to bring a little bit of what works in Austin to Washington D.C. is EXACTLY what we need! Do not try to say we are not diverse enough as Texas possesses six of the top twenty biggest cities in the United States AND has one of the biggest Hispanic populations in the country.
The only huge insider I see are Nikki Haley (whom I despise) and Elaine Chao (Mitch McConnell's wife.) Seriously Jeremiah, don't let facts get in the way of your argument about Trump. This just shows how weak your arguments really are! Is this what the world is coming to? #groupthink
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Post by Vlade Divac on Sept 15, 2017 9:06:33 GMT
I don't really have time to do this anymore because I have job and stuff to do, and you are pretty much hopeless, Jeremiah, despite my thought that I might could save you. We fundamentally disagree on facts, and I don't know how to have a rational argument if we differ on the facts. Could you please learn to research or something? Half your shit is wrong, and I did not even read it all.
For instance, that Ricky Perry corruption thing was a totally stupid argument made up by Democrats in Texas trying to take him down. The Democrats alleged that Perry used his veto against a Travis County [the county Austin, TX is in] to withhold funds from them because they let their District Attorney (who was drunk off her ass as you can see from this video - keep working after a terrible scandal that would have gotten people in the private sector fired from their job. They argued that he used the veto because she was investing him for buying property for a cheap price; Ironically, my dad is a realtor in the area and said that it is hard to gauge the value of water front properties in the area because they are such desirable properties. No state or federal law or constitution puts any restrictions on an executive's ability to use a veto. While the Travis County Grand Jury [keep in mind that Austin is so liberal that I think California should annex Austin] perhaps convicted him (I cannot remember), it was tossed out by a judge in a relatively short amount of time.
Anyways, I am done with this due to time constraints. Jeremiah, I appreciate the fact that you are at least concerned about the country and hope that you will start/continue to seek the truth as you see in the same way I seek the truth as I see it.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Sept 15, 2017 20:48:03 GMT
Vlade DivacI'm aware that the Rick Perry thing was a weak accusation, but hey it still happened. But its funny that out of all of the facts I presented about each of his cabinet members you could really only use that as an example? That is the crux of it all really, all facts can be disregarded as long as one minor detail can be brought up about a single little tidbit within the bigger picture. Those people do not have your or my issues in mind at all. Most of them aren't particularly qualified for their positions and quite frankly the way Trump goes through staff I'm not surprised he had to fill the spots with either morons (Ben Carsons), people with clear conflicts of interest/alterior motives (the Exxon guy and the Goldman Sachs guy) or people who flat out paid him for a position in the government (Betsy DeVos). No one except Mike "Electrocute the Gays" Pence was willing to put their reputation on the line for a lunatic with a fragile ego. Its becoming cleat that all of the memes and fake news supporting Trump comes from Russia, not anyone over here. Don't kid yourself if you think there are still a large proportion of republicans still supporting Trump. The entire country might vote Democrat next election and it's gonna be hilarious.
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