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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 26, 2017 1:04:36 GMT
Common sense/logic applies here. All GMs outside of the ones who are in the trade, and not on the TC. I don't think that is common sense. That is like saying someone running for office can't vote for themselves. Just because you are a participant doesn't mean you don't get equal say. It absolutely is implied and common sense. Stop trying to cheat. You making a poor analogy doesn't change that.
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Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 26, 2017 1:45:24 GMT
Reject - for flipping player reasons.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 26, 2017 1:58:57 GMT
I think the trade is stupid and gives Josh too much. That said, nothing in this trade outside of the pick, Milsap and Horford are particularly valuable. Each GM gets one of those.
I'm very disappointed in both Bryan and JR for not seeing the alternative routes for this deal and making a stupid deal.
Good job Josh.
Accept.
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Post by Jay Z on Jul 26, 2017 6:30:16 GMT
lmao, since the players do not matter to Josh one bit, he somehow manages to dump $23 million (this figure jumps up to $36 million if Jrue gets hurt and opts in) in future commitments and pockets a valuable 1st for his trouble. Well fucking done Josh.
My problem with this trade is that JR realistically doesn't not have the option to re-sign Jrue. a) why would Jrue sign on a team that's already committed $106 million to two other PG's for the 2018 season and further and b) for JR to at minimum offer Jrue the contract he just got IRL (5 year 125 million), the cap would have to jump to $113 million next year as everything stands now.
So Horford for Millsap (wash), 1 year rental of Gay for the 1 year rental of Jrue (wash in a vacuum, not sure why JR is giving up 2 wing players to stack his guards rotation even further). Is an expiring Olynyk, a 36 yr old ZBo and some 2nds worth JR's first plus his future cap space?
JR takes on salary over the next few years, team comp looks worse after the trade, while losing the 3rd most valuable piece in this trade. I really don't want to police how a GM manages his team, but to me both short and long term JR is taking a hit, so i'm going in as a reject.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 26, 2017 11:31:15 GMT
Reject...
The fact that Holiday is only a rental for a year killed it.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 26, 2017 12:35:08 GMT
I think this ruins Josh's team and he gets screwed so I accept. It's not in the rules but you need a decent reason for your vote to be taken into account, not just "I'm glad BKN gets screwed".
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 26, 2017 12:37:28 GMT
I think this ruins Josh's team and he gets screwed so I accept. It's not in the rules but you need a decent reason for your vote to be taken into account, not just "I'm glad BKN gets screwed". Are those involved in the trade allowed to vote? It sorta doesn't make sense to exclude them. 3 league members agreed to the trade so they obviously think it is fair, and 3 members is 1/10th of the entire league. I feel like our vote should be weighed as equally as other GMs.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 26, 2017 12:54:14 GMT
First to 16 votes. Time to see which GMs don't vote and aren't paying attention.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 26, 2017 13:08:49 GMT
It's not in the rules but you need a decent reason for your vote to be taken into account, not just "I'm glad BKN gets screwed". Are those involved in the trade allowed to vote? It sorta doesn't make sense to exclude them. 3 league members agreed to the trade so they obviously think it is fair, and 3 members is 1/10th of the entire league. I feel like our vote should be weighed as equally as other GMs. come on dude
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 26, 2017 13:24:27 GMT
Are those involved in the trade allowed to vote? It sorta doesn't make sense to exclude them. 3 league members agreed to the trade so they obviously think it is fair, and 3 members is 1/10th of the entire league. I feel like our vote should be weighed as equally as other GMs. come on dude QFT
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 26, 2017 13:29:30 GMT
I think the trade is stupid and gives Josh too much. That said, nothing in this trade outside of the pick, Milsap and Horford are particularly valuable. Each GM gets one of those. I'm very disappointed in both Bryan and JR for not seeing the alternative routes for this deal and making a stupid deal. Good job Josh. Accept.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 26, 2017 13:35:38 GMT
It's not in the rules but you need a decent reason for your vote to be taken into account, not just "I'm glad BKN gets screwed". Are those involved in the trade allowed to vote? It sorta doesn't make sense to exclude them. 3 league members agreed to the trade so they obviously think it is fair, and 3 members is 1/10th of the entire league. I feel like our vote should be weighed as equally as other GMs. Those involved in the trade do not get to vote. Just like even though Bryan Colangelo is trade committee he doesn't get to vote because it's his trade.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 14:18:13 GMT
To prove how well I would do on the TC I will use this to show my abilities:
I vote to accept this deal because fuck JR
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Post by Vlade Divac on Jul 26, 2017 14:21:19 GMT
To prove how well I would do on the TC I will use this to show my abilities: I vote to accept this deal because fuck JR I think this ruins Josh's [JR's] team and he gets screwed so I accept. It's not in the rules but you need a decent reason for your vote to be taken into account, not just "I'm glad BKN San Antonio Spurs gets screwed". EDITED SLIGHTLY TO REFLECT REALITY!!!!!!!
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 26, 2017 16:22:04 GMT
reject
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 26, 2017 16:24:53 GMT
Actually, after much thought im going to change my mind and accept this. I hate the idea of a "trade back" and the Spurs 1st being moved but JR is active so we should let him rock. Its not like hes getting scrubs either, Jrue and Horford are solid guys and could help him make the playoffs. Go back up to your original post and change it to accept as well. Whoever is counting isnt going to read your post to see this
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 26, 2017 17:01:00 GMT
I think this ruins Josh's team and he gets screwed so I accept. It's not in the rules but you need a decent reason for your vote to be taken into account, not just "I'm glad BKN gets screwed". Yeah, I was just kidding. There isn't enough to reject here. I think what's most important here is that JR has been loyal to D5 in the past, from what I can tell. Nobody is protecting anybody by rejecting this trade.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 26, 2017 17:22:24 GMT
Chauncey - Accept Jared - Accept Jeremiah - Accept Billy - Accept
Scalabrine - Reject Vlade - Reject Kevin - Reject Jay Z - Reject Hanamachi - Reject Barkley - Reject
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Post by Allen Iverson on Jul 26, 2017 19:06:03 GMT
Reject. Same reasons with Jay Z
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Post by Chris Mullin on Jul 26, 2017 19:26:53 GMT
Accept.
I think this a terrible trade for the Spurs, a good trade for the Raptors, and a great trade for the Nets. That being said, I don't feel it is my place to police other GMs and if JR really wants to make this move, then have at it.
The trading of players back and forth does bother me, but there is technically not a rule against it currently. I would like to see us come up with some type of rule though that addresses players being traded back and forth between teams. I think it's very unrealistic and could potentially set up situations where collusion can occur which I feel would undermine the competitive spirit of the league.
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 26, 2017 19:27:08 GMT
lmao, since the players do not matter to Josh one bit, he somehow manages to dump $23 million (this figure jumps up to $36 million if Jrue gets hurt and opts in) in future commitments and pockets a valuable 1st for his trouble. Well fucking done Josh. My problem with this trade is that JR realistically doesn't not have the option to re-sign Jrue. a) why would Jrue sign on a team that's already committed $106 million to two other PG's for the 2018 season and further and b) for JR to at minimum offer Jrue the contract he just got IRL (5 year 125 million), the cap would have to jump to $113 million next year as everything stands now. So Horford for Millsap (wash), 1 year rental of Gay for the 1 year rental of Jrue (wash in a vacuum, not sure why JR is giving up 2 wing players to stack his guards rotation even further). Is an expiring Olynyk, a 36 yr old ZBo and some 2nds worth JR's first plus his future cap space? JR takes on salary over the next few years, team comp looks worse after the trade, while losing the 3rd most valuable piece in this trade. I really don't want to police how a GM manages his team, but to me both short and long term JR is taking a hit, so i'm going in as a reject. Honestly you guys can't say whether or not Holiday will opt out. Derrick Rose is more of a combo guard than a point guard anyway. We would most likely start Rose at SF, Holiday at the 2 and Thomas will be our PG. Then we would have Randolph and Horford. How is this such an issue? The game is going small. That's reality. Yea Holiday could opt out, but who says the Spurs won't have a great season and he decides to opt in! The only reason Holiday was paid that much IRL was because the Pelicans could not get a better PG to sign. Not with the cap they had. So they signed him because they could and they had to at a max like salary to obtain the best PG on the market. Read into it as I did and you will see. If he opts out, ok. Then we figure a way to get him re-sign or we trade Rose or go another route. You guys act like Horford and Millsap are retiring in the next 4 years. It's not happening. It will be another 2-3 before they even begin to decline for reasons other than contributing to their teams as they need to even if their numbers drop. Like I said Horfords numbers dropped slightly. On a Celtics team needing him to do things different than in ATL. Millsap had another great year too. Olynks contract is expiring but I would get Bird Rights. You guys are hard on Rivers, but he played decent and him and Kelly would do fine off the bench with the roster I quoted. Evan Turner may get traded back and he would be our 6th man. Horford Randolph Rose Holiday Thomas Turner Olynk Rivers And please tell me how my team will be worse. At least we will have a center. We start multiple All Stars. Vote how you want, but I'm not screwing up my team. And just like I did having no picks and cap issues before last season.. I traded my vet players for youth and picks and I'll build my team the way I always to. But not with picks or tanking!!
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 26, 2017 19:30:58 GMT
roughly 2 hours to go
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Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 26, 2017 19:48:21 GMT
JR, Holiday is most definitely opting out unless he break his neck. He makes almost 13 mil more than he does in D5.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 26, 2017 19:50:55 GMT
Jr just said "I might get Turner back". That shouldn't be allowed, we should make a rule to prevent that because that's cheating the system
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Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 26, 2017 19:53:31 GMT
Jr just said "I might get Turner back". That shouldn't be allowed, we should make a rule to prevent that because that's cheating the system I have been saying this for three days now.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 26, 2017 19:56:35 GMT
If you guys are voting on the assumption that there is going to be some sort of illegal trade back, then you need to check the salary page and see what is actually in the realm of possibility.
I hope people aren't really voting to reject because of the Jrue-Gay thing. We had no intention of ever trading them back when we made the original trade, and they are really only included here for salary purposes. And like I said, if you are worried about another trade-back, go do the math first.
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Kevin Hollis
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jul 26, 2017 20:01:41 GMT
Math - miles plumlee plus one other equals turner
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Post by James Kay on Jul 26, 2017 20:09:44 GMT
First to 16 votes. Time to see which GMs don't vote and aren't paying attention. I'm just abstaining
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Post by JR Wiles on Jul 26, 2017 20:37:29 GMT
Come on guys. Vote if you have not.
And remember... u see my team... It was worse and it got better...
If it does again...I'll do the same AGAIN and AGAIN...
Spurs GM 4 Life..
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 26, 2017 20:57:20 GMT
Come on guys. Vote if you have not. And remember... u see my team... It was worse and it got better... If it does again...I'll do the same AGAIN and AGAIN... Spurs GM 4 Life.. Why do you enjoy being mediocre? I'm not ragging on your style but drafting helps big time in improving your team. I know tanking isn't everyone's cup of tea but sometimes you gotta retool so you can actually start to contend
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