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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 2:32:32 GMT
Utah Jazz73 Emmanuel Mudiay $3,258,200 $3,398,600 $4,306,026 $5,709,791 69 Guerschon Yabusele draft rights Tyler Ulis draft rights Georges Niang draft rights 2017 OKC 1st for Phoenix Suns80 Zach LaVine $1,965,700 $2,708,735 $3,727,219 I accept. I can take a shot on lavine, and this helps my tank.
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 2, 2017 2:38:32 GMT
accept, I love Lavine but the acl is going hurt one of his biggest strengths in his athleticism.For him, I get Mudiay who i still have faith in and a late first but I can probably get a future role player with that pick. A big reason I made this deal is because I get 3 guys that dont take up a roster spot. Plus Yabusele can be a very good player once he comes to the NBA
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 2:43:30 GMT
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 2, 2017 4:15:11 GMT
I hate this trade for both of them which means its not rejectable.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 2, 2017 11:56:22 GMT
Mudiay has zero value. The guy is literally getting DNPs he is so bad. I've never even heard of anyone else in this trade. Phoenix is essentially trading Lavine for a super late 1st, which is crazy to me considering some of the packages I threw at him.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 2, 2017 12:41:30 GMT
Yeah, Mudiay doesn't even start now. I would expect more of a return for one of the most promising young talents in the league. Utah wins by a mile, sorry Phoenix.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 12:46:31 GMT
Mudiay has zero value. The guy is literally getting DNPs he is so bad. I've never even heard of anyone else in this trade. Phoenix is essentially trading Lavine for a super late 1st, which is crazy to me considering some of the packages I threw at him. Lol. "I don't know any of the people in this trade therefore it sucks!" There's a difference between not knowing who a player is, and a player sucking. This is basically torn ACL lavine for 3 1sts and 2 2nds. If you replaced these names with picks it would be easily passable, so maybe Google a bit before poisoning the well. Yabusele is goddamn legit.
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 2, 2017 12:47:49 GMT
Mudiay has zero value. The guy is literally getting DNPs he is so bad. I've never even heard of anyone else in this trade. Phoenix is essentially trading Lavine for a super late 1st, which is crazy to me considering some of the packages I threw at him. I didn't like the deals you threw at me because you threw a late 1st at me with two guys I'm not high on at all. Mudiay still has time to become a better player. He's averaging 10 ppg and plays 27 mpg so he's not too bad right now. Plus don't sleep on yabusele he's going to come to Boston and hopefully prove himself
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 12:51:51 GMT
Yeah, Mudiay doesn't even start now. I would expect more of a return for one of the most promising young talents in the league. Utah wins by a mile, sorry Phoenix. I've been offered 2 late 1sts for Mudiay as early as last week. To think he is 100% bust at this point is foolish. At the very least he could carve out a nice Brandon Jennings type career and role, the dude has lots of skills. If he was on a team where he didn't have to take all the shots he would be much better. Remember, his shooting always was and always will be the worst part of his game, if you try to run your scoring offense through him like RW you're gonna have a bad time. He'd fit a a ty Lawson role quite well. Very good passer and defender.
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Post by Ian Noble on Mar 2, 2017 15:26:14 GMT
I do feel like Phoenix needs to command a lot more for LaVine, torn ACL or no. He's your best prospect, ideally you should be keeping him or trading him for more than this imho.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 2, 2017 17:16:03 GMT
Yeah, Mudiay doesn't even start now. I would expect more of a return for one of the most promising young talents in the league. Utah wins by a mile, sorry Phoenix. I've been offered 2 late 1sts for Mudiay as early as last week. To think he is 100% bust at this point is foolish. At the very least he could carve out a nice Brandon Jennings type career and role, the dude has lots of skills. If he was on a team where he didn't have to take all the shots he would be much better. Remember, his shooting always was and always will be the worst part of his game, if you try to run your scoring offense through him like RW you're gonna have a bad time. He'd fit a a ty Lawson role quite well. Very good passer and defender. Fair enough, but do you really want to trade Lavine for Ricky Rubio?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 17:17:58 GMT
I've been offered 2 late 1sts for Mudiay as early as last week. To think he is 100% bust at this point is foolish. At the very least he could carve out a nice Brandon Jennings type career and role, the dude has lots of skills. If he was on a team where he didn't have to take all the shots he would be much better. Remember, his shooting always was and always will be the worst part of his game, if you try to run your scoring offense through him like RW you're gonna have a bad time. He'd fit a a ty Lawson role quite well. Very good passer and defender. Fair enough, but do you really want to trade Lavine for Ricky Rubio? *highlight from the other days playoff game Yabusele could easily be the best player in this deal. You all are underselling him quite a bit. Danny Ainge's biggest mistake this year was not bringing him over and sending him to Shanghai instead. He could be their best big right now, easily, and be playing great in 16-22 mpg. With Love and Lowry out, the east is kind of wide open, and Yabusele could've been that essential piece that pushed Boston over the edge. In fact this trade was brought up because we were discussing Yabusele, Mudiay is an add on piece, not the main one. Then when you add Niang, Ulis and the 1st round pick, this trade is CLEARLY not rejectable.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Mar 2, 2017 21:57:48 GMT
I like this deal for both the teams. Adam is doing his thing, making tanking great again or what he does, and taking in an injured LaVine, but I think he gives up enough for the fella. I like Mudiay and Yabusele, Francophilia, and a first can always be a big deal. LaVine is being overhyped here in my opinion, but I get it and I like him a good bit too. I just don't see it as rejectable, personally.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Mar 2, 2017 23:29:46 GMT
Man everyone gave up on Mudiay already?
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Mar 2, 2017 23:45:20 GMT
Man everyone gave up on Mudiay already? Draft Pick >> Rookies > Sophomores
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Post by Alex English on Mar 2, 2017 23:46:43 GMT
Zach LaVine is one of the darlings of D5. There has been talk around here that he is better than Wiggins, which I think is crazy by the way. So there is no doubt that there are about a dozen offers for LaVine that are way better than this one.
I hate trades like this. One team obviously wins, but there is enough value that I'm not sure it can be rejected. Which I guess is what I try to do in all my own trades lol, but I just wish this trade never happened because I think it probably ends up getting passed.
I'll begrudgingly accept, but good luck getting that vote from Ian and other guys who are in love with LaVine.
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 2, 2017 23:49:41 GMT
Zach LaVine is one of the darlings of D5. There has been talk around here that he is better than Wiggins, which I think is crazy by the way. So there is no doubt that there are about a dozen offers for LaVine that are way better than this one. I hate trades like this. One team obviously wins, but there is enough value that I'm not sure it can be rejected. Which I guess is what I try to do in all my own trades lol, but I just wish this trade never happened because I think it probably ends up getting passed. I'll begrudgingly accept, but good luck getting that vote from Ian and other guys who are in love with LaVine. if Ian likes lavine so much why did he offer me only cam Payne for him. I got a lot of shityy offers
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 23:53:09 GMT
Except it's not obvious. There's a huge, tangible, % chance that I get 100% fucked by this deal. Lavine TORE HIS ACL.
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Post by Alex English on Mar 2, 2017 23:55:01 GMT
if Ian likes lavine so much why did he offer me only cam Payne for him. I got a lot of shityy offers Haha, because I think Ian is unwilling to even consider a trade unless he's absolutely robbing the other team. He has a pretty decent number of rejected trades going back through the years.
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 3, 2017 0:00:07 GMT
if Ian likes lavine so much why did he offer me only cam Payne for him. I got a lot of shityy offers Haha, because I think Ian is unwilling to even consider a trade unless he's absolutely robbing the other team. He has a pretty decent number of rejected trades going back through the years. oh lmao, but I still don't think this trade is reject able
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Post by Alex English on Mar 3, 2017 0:04:27 GMT
Except it's not obvious. There's a huge, tangible, % chance that I get 100% fucked by this deal. Lavine TORE HIS ACL. Torn ACL doesn't mean what it used too. Tons of athletes have torn a knee ligament and played elite afterward. Adrian Peterson tore both his ACL and MCL then came back the next season and rushed for 2000+ yards and won the MVP. There are a lot more Adrian Petersons these days than Derrick Roses.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Mar 3, 2017 0:11:10 GMT
I disagree that you got worse offers. I had a deal that included my pick which is at least 3-4 times more valuable than OKC's pick. My players weren't as good but whatever.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 0:18:45 GMT
Except it's not obvious. There's a huge, tangible, % chance that I get 100% fucked by this deal. Lavine TORE HIS ACL. Torn ACL doesn't mean what it used too. Tons of athletes have torn a knee ligament and played elite afterward. Adrian Peterson tore both his ACL and MCL then came back the next season and rushed for 2000+ yards and won the MVP. There are a lot more Adrian Petersons these days than Derrick Roses. Adrian Peterson is literally superhuman, perhaps the greatest athlete of all time. For every example of miraculous ACL healing there are just as many counter examples... Look what tearing the ACL did to RG3.
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 3, 2017 0:47:49 GMT
I disagree that you got worse offers. I had a deal that included my pick which is at least 3-4 times more valuable than OKC's pick. My players weren't as good but whatever. dude this draft is top heavy. The top 8-10 people are the only guys I see with real value so your trade was not near good enough. Yabusele a first and mudiay is worth lavine
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Mar 3, 2017 1:19:06 GMT
Torn ACL doesn't mean what it used too. Tons of athletes have torn a knee ligament and played elite afterward. Adrian Peterson tore both his ACL and MCL then came back the next season and rushed for 2000+ yards and won the MVP. There are a lot more Adrian Petersons these days than Derrick Roses. Adrian Peterson is literally superhuman, perhaps the greatest athlete of all time. For every example of miraculous ACL healing there are just as many counter examples... Look what tearing the ACL did to RG3. No. People found out RGIII couldnt throw a ball, that's what happened.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 3, 2017 1:19:24 GMT
Zach LaVine is one of the darlings of D5. There has been talk around here that he is better than Wiggins, which I think is crazy by the way. So there is no doubt that there are about a dozen offers for LaVine that are way better than this one. I hate trades like this. One team obviously wins, but there is enough value that I'm not sure it can be rejected. Which I guess is what I try to do in all my own trades lol, but I just wish this trade never happened because I think it probably ends up getting passed. I'll begrudgingly accept, but good luck getting that vote from Ian and other guys who are in love with LaVine. if Ian likes lavine so much why did he offer me only cam Payne for him. I got a lot of shityy offers Because trading with certain people in here is like pulling teeth, and trading with others is like taking candy, you'll find the middle ground
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Post by Charles Barkley on Mar 3, 2017 1:21:11 GMT
I think this trade is a shitty trade.
Mudiay is a lot worse compared to LaVine. And Yabusele, Ulis, and the 28th pick in this draft does not cover that difference.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Mar 3, 2017 2:21:20 GMT
I offered Okafor, MKG, + Spurs pick for Lavine
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 3, 2017 2:57:25 GMT
I offered Okafor, MKG, + Spurs pick for Lavine yeah but I wasn't too sure about trading lavine 2 weeks ago, then you traded Okafor. You then offered me stein mkg and the first. I hate mkg and I had no interest in paying him this offseason
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Post by Danny Longley on Mar 3, 2017 6:10:44 GMT
I'll accept as well.
Not as high on Lavine as everyone else seems to be, and I don't think Mudiay's dead value either. But it's not particularly a killer for either team IMO, so sure.
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