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Post by Jared Montini on Feb 15, 2017 2:07:31 GMT
71 Nate Robinson $2,464,200
74 JJ Hickson $6,579,414
2020 1st POR 68 Jared Cunningham $607,336 (His Contract) 66 Ryan Hollins $607,336 total 10,258,286
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82 Goran Dragic $9,458,309 70 Henry Ellenson $1,257,800 $1,314,400 $1,371,000 $2,114,082 $3,029,480 Por 2017 2nd 10,716,109
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Post by Jared Montini on Feb 15, 2017 2:07:47 GMT
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Post by Brandon Roy on Feb 15, 2017 2:25:00 GMT
I accept.. This will be our first trade since last season as we plan to improve our roster this season to solidify our chance on winning the championship. Dragic will be very useful for us as a back up or as a starter alongside Kyrie .. Plus Ellenson might be what we need at the PF position in the future..
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Post by Alex English on Feb 15, 2017 2:52:28 GMT
I don't understand how you guys came back with this. The other one wasn't even rejected, this one should be though. Henry Ellenson is way more valuable than that 2nd round pick from the other deal, then the Blazers own pick is added to? Trading away a recently drafted rookie is the opposite of tanking.
I can understand wanting to trade away Dragic as he'll likely leave in the off-season anyway. I also understand that really hurts his trade value. But trading away your rookie along with him for a future pick of one of the best teams in the league is too much for me.
I gotta reject.
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Post by Jared Montini on Feb 15, 2017 2:56:31 GMT
I don't understand how you guys came back with this. The other one wasn't even rejected, this one should be though. Henry Ellenson is way more valuable than that 2nd round pick from the other deal, then the Blazers own pick is added to? Trading away a recently drafted rookie is the opposite of tanking. I can understand wanting to trade away Dragic as he'll likely leave in the off-season anyway. I also understand that really hurts his trade value. But trading away your rookie along with him for a future pick of one of the best teams in the league is too much for me. I gotta reject. I honestly think Ellenson blows, and will be no better than a 75 by the end of his career.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 15, 2017 4:34:17 GMT
I agree with Alex.
Jared, even if that's your opinion, it pays to keep an eye on general perceived value. In other words, why not get more for him?
This trade is a reject for me.
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Post by Jared Montini on Feb 15, 2017 5:01:33 GMT
I agree with Alex. Jared, even if that's your opinion, it pays to keep an eye on general perceived value. In other words, why not get more for him? This trade is a reject for me. no ones giving a 1st up for an expiring, so I add in ellenson to get a 1st. You don't know what that pick will be in 3 years and trades should not be rejected unless it harms the franchise. Ellenson should never be a reason for a reject
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Post by Brandon Roy on Feb 15, 2017 5:55:40 GMT
why would he wait for more if no one wants to trade a 1st rd for Dragic. that pick could be a lottery or it may not but we don't know what will happen to my team 3 years from now. better get something to Goran than let him walk away next season.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 15, 2017 6:45:18 GMT
I agree with Alex. Jared, even if that's your opinion, it pays to keep an eye on general perceived value. In other words, why not get more for him? This trade is a reject for me. no ones giving a 1st up for an expiring, so I add in ellenson to get a 1st. You don't know what that pick will be in 3 years and trades should not be rejected unless it harms the franchise. Ellenson should never be a reason for a reject Jared I want you to consider this. Who else has an 80+ OVR combo guard at less than 10 million? How many of those (I think its like 2 or so) are on teams willing to give them up? Maybe Sacramento? But Portland doesn't have enough to get Lillard so he comes to you. He thinks he has a reasonable chance to sign Goran next season at a bargain I bet. A deep playoff run will make that kind of realistic depending on how the market shakes out. Give him Bayless or someone like that to help with his depth. Giving up a young guy who hasn't even been given the opportunity to fail seems a bit silly to be honest. His percentages suck but he's playing behind Morris, Harris AND Leuer who are all gonna be better than him because they've all been in the league like 5 years. AND his coach hates playing rookies. If the trade looked something like I think it would be an easy pass he's at worst giving up a 15-30 pick: 71 Nate Robinson $2,464,200 74 JJ Hickson $6,579,414 2020 1st POR 68 Jared Cunningham $607,336 (His Contract) 66 Ryan Hollins $607,336 total 10,258,286 for 82 Goran Dragic $9,458,309 76 Jerryd Bayless $1,500,000 $1,665,000 $1,848,150 Por 2017 2nd 10,716,109
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 15, 2017 6:46:05 GMT
Plus you don't really have a reason to tank, you tank all you do is help ATL for no reason.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 16, 2017 18:55:50 GMT
Even if you think Ellenson sucks it's still not a smart deal.
edit: I like to think my rebuild is going ok, bar injuries, and I had the benefit of being able to trade KG, PP, Ray Allen and Rajon for a load of picks. Since I got all those picks every single trade I've made has followed the plan to acquire as many young assets as possible. Washington's rebuild started with much less assets thanks to the old GM, and on top of that factor this trade deviates from their plan as far as I can see, and doing that will only dilute their ability to rebuild surely?
Reject
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Feb 16, 2017 19:22:18 GMT
Reject as well
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Post by Jared Montini on Mar 5, 2020 18:39:03 GMT
I’ve been looking back at old trades and this one has always got me mad.
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Post by Jerry West on Mar 5, 2020 21:08:13 GMT
Brandon really wanted to burn us to the ground in terms of picks
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Post by Tom Izzo on Mar 5, 2020 22:39:25 GMT
Another example of the insanely bloated value this league places on youth
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