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Post by Shane Battier on Jan 31, 2017 6:37:24 GMT
Phoenix Suns receive: 75 Joakim Noah $18,000,000 $18,500,000 $19,000,000 $20,000,000 76 CJ Miles - $4,615,246 $5,122,923 2019 1st rd pick
Chicago Bulls receive: 80 Thaddeus Young - $17,500,000 $19,085,000 $20,954,350 $21,126,089 74 Jameer Nelson - $6,500,000 $5,785,000 $5,148,650
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Post by Shane Battier on Jan 31, 2017 6:39:50 GMT
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Post by Shane Battier on Jan 31, 2017 6:40:18 GMT
I accept.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 31, 2017 6:41:36 GMT
why in gods name would the suns do this? That pick will be complete shit and Noah's contract is awful.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 31, 2017 9:00:37 GMT
Does Jared realize he doesn't have his pick this season? ATL will have a top 3 and a top 6 guaranteed.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jan 31, 2017 11:42:57 GMT
Accept, I currently have a team that can't make the playoffs and don't own my 2017 and 2019 pick. I need to make a decision now on what my teams going to be like. And the best way possible is to get picks and to tank.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 31, 2017 12:13:07 GMT
This pick will be a mid twenty at best. You will have Noah's contract which is just as bad. This is a terrible trade imo and I hope it doesn't go through. Your team really isn't that bad considering. Move on from the older guys and add a guy here and there. Just getting tired of seeing 3/4ths of the league tank and 6-7 teams hoard all the players, myself included. Starting to run into th problem that was discussed in the Detroit thread.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 13:23:40 GMT
Maybe the player agents should stop just giving the best players to the hoarder teams, and then we wouldn't have to.
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Post by James Kay on Jan 31, 2017 14:48:15 GMT
Is Noah the worst contract in the league?
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 31, 2017 16:15:08 GMT
Maybe the player agents should stop just giving the best players to the hoarder teams, and then we wouldn't have to. I do agree to some point. The tanking game has been a catalyst in regards to free agency. Teams continue to trade all of their assets away because there is no value in being a middle team in this league. I would like to think GMs who commit to staying competitive should be rewarded in free agency. Player agents aren't going to send top tier free agents to GMs who continue to trade everyone away and where there is no foundation base/stability. At this point, it is hard not to side with the PAs in their decisions.
As mentioned above, when mid-tier competitive teams do lose their only superstar, eg Phoenix, it essentially cripples an organization and adds to the stockpile of tanking teams. However, my main compliant with this trade is what Phoenix is getting in return. He is getting the worst contract in the league (most likely) and a very late first rounder.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 31, 2017 18:34:21 GMT
I accept.
In terms of players I think it's meh for meh, both Thaddeus and Joakim have ugly contracts. At least Phoenix gets a pick.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 31, 2017 19:18:11 GMT
I accept. In terms of players I think it's meh for meh, both Thaddeus and Joakim have ugly contracts. At least Phoenix gets a pick. One is 28 and having one of his better years. The other is in his thirties and basically doesn't have ankles anymore. I don't disagree with you accepting this. I do greatly disagree with your valuation of these two players.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jan 31, 2017 19:28:08 GMT
I accept. In terms of players I think it's meh for meh, both Thaddeus and Joakim have ugly contracts. At least Phoenix gets a pick. One is 28 and having one of his better years. The other is in his thirties and basically doesn't have ankles anymore. I don't disagree with you accepting this. I do greatly disagree with your valuation of these two players. I agree but I don't think it's bad enough to reject
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jan 31, 2017 20:45:54 GMT
I accept. In terms of players I think it's meh for meh, both Thaddeus and Joakim have ugly contracts. At least Phoenix gets a pick. The difference is that Thad is 28 and productive while Noah is god awful This trade is awful and makes no sense. That pick will be 28-30. Could get much more for Thad
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Post by Jared Montini on Jan 31, 2017 20:59:43 GMT
I accept. In terms of players I think it's meh for meh, both Thaddeus and Joakim have ugly contracts. At least Phoenix gets a pick. The difference is that Thad is 28 and productive while Noah is god awful This trade is awful and makes no sense. That pick will be 28-30. Could get much more for Thad not really, I got horrible offers for Thad this one atleast nets me a first
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 31, 2017 21:42:35 GMT
if the first would be in the teens then okay. But that first will be absolutely nothing. Noah will kill your cap in the future. Your best bet would be to take an expiring or shorter cap relief.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2017 22:16:46 GMT
ok guys apparently I missed it...
so when exactly did thaddeus young become good?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jan 31, 2017 23:53:14 GMT
ok guys apparently I missed it... so when exactly did thaddeus young become good? He's been a hyper efficient wing outside of his weird ass FT percentage this year. He can play multiple positions. I like him. I don't think he nets you a sub-20's draft pick but I at least think you could have gotten that same level of pick and a better player.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jan 31, 2017 23:57:56 GMT
Tanking is overrated in this league.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 1, 2017 3:06:52 GMT
The difference is that Thad is 28 and productive while Noah is god awful This trade is awful and makes no sense. That pick will be 28-30. Could get much more for Thad not really, I got horrible offers for Thad this one atleast nets me a first It also nets you one of the worst contract in the league. All firsts are not equal, you have just as good a chance at landing a quality player with the 28-30 picks as you do the 31-35 picks. And you wouldn't have had to take Noah. Furthermore, no one really knows what the hell the cap is going to do. It could stay where it is throughout the rest of the CBA, or it could go up and then down. The distribution of the wealth in the NBA is all that we really know for sure. That is, the top players are now going to be paid a lot more, meaning those middle of the road contracts guys are on for 8-10 million in the old CBA will no longer exist. Think of what you could be using that 18-20 million on, instead you're going to give it to a terrible old player. The money would have been spent better over paying for a young guy who would help in the rebuild process
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Post by Charles Barkley on Feb 1, 2017 3:10:01 GMT
ok guys apparently I missed it... so when exactly did thaddeus young become good? Compared to Joakim Noah, Thad is Kevin Love. He traded Thad, a player a lot better than Noah, on realitvely the same contract and received the 28-30th pick 3 years from now for it. Thats awful return. Could have gotten out of the contract, or had its burden lessened or broken up and the same pick, or even 2 36-44-ish picks. Furthermore, it isn't as if Thad is the one causing all of the wins, you know?
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 1, 2017 15:26:00 GMT
Not to mentioned both teams signed theses guys during this past free agency. I am about to start an excel file listing transactions that occur with players that were signed during the latest of off-season in the hope that PAs start looking down on these type of deals.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 1, 2017 16:16:28 GMT
Not to mentioned both teams signed theses guys during this past free agency. I am about to start an excel file listing transactions that occur with players that were signed during the latest of off-season in the hope that PAs start looking down on these type of deals. I have been saying this for years. I also think we need to rule out any team purposefully trying to lose games from signing any legitimate free agent. It just wouldn't happen in real life.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 1, 2017 18:23:51 GMT
Not to mentioned both teams signed theses guys during this past free agency. I am about to start an excel file listing transactions that occur with players that were signed during the latest of off-season in the hope that PAs start looking down on these type of deals. I have been saying this for years. I also think we need to rule out any team purposefully trying to lose games from signing any legitimate free agent. It just wouldn't happen in real life. R. E. G. G. I. E. Jackson.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 1, 2017 23:33:51 GMT
I have been saying this for years. I also think we need to rule out any team purposefully trying to lose games from signing any legitimate free agent. It just wouldn't happen in real life. R. E. G. G. I. E. Jackson. Reggie Jackson wasn't really a high prifile free agent. They overpaid in real life.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 1, 2017 23:43:43 GMT
I have been saying this for years. I also think we need to rule out any team purposefully trying to lose games from signing any legitimate free agent. It just wouldn't happen in real life. R. E. G. G. I. E. Jackson. Yes? I should definitely be added to that list. I mentioned that in the trade thread.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Feb 1, 2017 23:50:59 GMT
Not to mentioned both teams signed theses guys during this past free agency. I am about to start an excel file listing transactions that occur with players that were signed during the latest of off-season in the hope that PAs start looking down on these type of deals. I have been saying this for years. I also think we need to rule out any team purposefully trying to lose games from signing any legitimate free agent. It just wouldn't happen in real life. TOTALLY AGREE!!
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Post by Spike Lee on Feb 2, 2017 0:23:20 GMT
Not to mentioned both teams signed theses guys during this past free agency. I am about to start an excel file listing transactions that occur with players that were signed during the latest of off-season in the hope that PAs start looking down on these type of deals. I have been saying this for years. I also think we need to rule out any team purposefully trying to lose games from signing any legitimate free agent. It just wouldn't happen in real life. it already doesn't happen from what I can tell, when is the last time a tanking team signed a big time FA?
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Post by Spike Lee on Feb 2, 2017 0:25:42 GMT
also Kevin, you stated that you are tired of the top hoarding all the good players. some teams don't even have a choice in competing or tanking. if FAs were prohibited from signing with tanking teams, the gap between the poor and rich will get even larger.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 2, 2017 1:45:41 GMT
R. E. G. G. I. E. Jackson. Reggie Jackson wasn't really a high prifile free agent. They overpaid in real life. It's all relative. Is he LeBron / Kawhi /Butler - No. But he's a meaningful player.
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