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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 27, 2012 13:55:03 GMT
80 Ryan Anderson - $2,244,601 $3,234,470 75 Quentin Richardson - $2,446,200 $2,627,400 $2,808,600 74 Von Wafer - $992,680 $1,069,509 $1,186,459
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80 Gilbert Arenas - $416,971 75 Jermaine O'Neal - $5,000,000 2013 PHX 2nd Round Pick
With this deal I will get to rearrange my back court a bit. I lose some money next year and the year after.
New Lineup:
PG - Jameer Nelson SG - Gilbert Arenas SF - JR Smith PF - Amar'e Stoudemire C - Tyson Chandler
I accept.
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Post by JP Inawat on Jun 27, 2012 14:12:52 GMT
The Suns accept.
We get Ryan Anderson, a young scoring Forward who we really like, Von Wafer, a good backup shooting guard going forward, and Quentin Richardson. lol
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 27, 2012 16:23:45 GMT
Reject.
Ryan Anderson Broke OUT last season - 16 and 8, 39.3% from 3 while taking a LOT of them, and 87.7% from the FT line!?!
Oh and he's just 24 and under team control for another year after this year.
Gilbert and Jermaine have very little value to me, and the 2nd doesn't either. Wafer & QRich are not bad enough at all (contracts or as players) to bring down Anderson's value this far.
Very far off for me.
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Post by JP Inawat on Jun 27, 2012 17:38:27 GMT
I think you're undervaluing Arenas and overvaluing Quentin.
Yes, Arenas is not the man he once was, but he still makes for a decent role player. He's still got a scoring touch (shooting 40%, 33% from long range), and can still steal the ball pretty well. (11 in 211 minutes). That and the fact that he only has a one year contract so there's no long-term commitment. Also, that's a very cheap contract for what he brings to the table.
As for Quentin, you're probably not factoring in his age. He's contracted until he's 35. And will probably get a sizable ratings decrease soon. He's getting minutes in Orlando, but on other teams, he probably wouldn't even be a role player. 2.5M is a high price for a benchwarmer.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 27, 2012 17:51:25 GMT
I think you're undervaluing Arenas and overvaluing Quentin. Yes, Arenas is not the man he once was, but he still makes for a decent role player. He's still got a scoring touch (shooting 40%, 33% from long range), and can still steal the ball pretty well. (11 in 211 minutes). That and the fact that he only has a one year contract so there's no long-term commitment. Also, that's a very cheap contract for what he brings to the table. As for Quentin, you're probably not factoring in his age. He's contracted until he's 35. And will probably get a sizable ratings decrease soon. He's getting minutes in Orlando, but on other teams, he probably wouldn't even be a role player. 2.5M is a high price for a benchwarmer. You are bragging about a 40% shooting from Arenas? That's horrible, even for a guard. 33% from 3 isn't bad, but it's probably closer to average than it is good when compared to other NBA guards. His ability to steal balls well doesn't do much for me. Quentin is only 2 years older than Arenas btw. QRich gets his value from defense, hitting the 3 (35%, still not GREAT but it's at least above average), being able to make his FT when needed (83% this past season), and just generally not really hurting you anywhere. Is 2.5 mil a little much for him? Probably. The veteran minimum IRL is 1.4 million, so it's not like he's really getting paid all that much. Orlando is giving up a VERY promising and already very talented and skilled big man for almost zero long-term value. That's not ok
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Post by JP Inawat on Jun 27, 2012 18:07:36 GMT
I think you're undervaluing Arenas and overvaluing Quentin. Yes, Arenas is not the man he once was, but he still makes for a decent role player. He's still got a scoring touch (shooting 40%, 33% from long range), and can still steal the ball pretty well. (11 in 211 minutes). That and the fact that he only has a one year contract so there's no long-term commitment. Also, that's a very cheap contract for what he brings to the table. As for Quentin, you're probably not factoring in his age. He's contracted until he's 35. And will probably get a sizable ratings decrease soon. He's getting minutes in Orlando, but on other teams, he probably wouldn't even be a role player. 2.5M is a high price for a benchwarmer. You are bragging about a 40% shooting from Arenas? That's horrible, even for a guard. 33% from 3 isn't bad, but it's probably closer to average than it is good when compared to other NBA guards. His ability to steal balls well doesn't do much for me. Quentin is only 2 years older than Arenas btw. QRich gets his value from defense, hitting the 3 (35%, still not GREAT but it's at least above average), being able to make his FT when needed (83% this past season), and just generally not really hurting you anywhere. Is 2.5 mil a little much for him? Probably. The veteran minimum IRL is 1.4 million, so it's not like he's really getting paid all that much. Orlando is giving up a VERY promising and already very talented and skilled big man for almost zero long-term value. That's not ok I'm not bragging about Arenas, just saying that he's not as bad as what you probably think he is. As for Q, he's only 2 years older, but he's got a 3-year contract which he's not worth the price of. Just saying again, he's contracted until he's 35.. I do get what you're saying about Ryan Anderson, but Orlando's looking to clear cap space. He's also working on other deals that will give him even more flexibility come offseason and this deal clears him 7 million for next year. That will get him a decent starter on potentially a position he needs more since he's already got Amar'e. I think it's a win-win for both our teams. But if it gets rejected, I'm still open to reworking it.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 27, 2012 18:32:28 GMT
You are entitled to your opinion, and of course you will defend a trade where you more or less rip off the opposing manager. I'm not buying it, sorry.
Big reject, still not really close for me.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 27, 2012 23:19:59 GMT
Good trade. Accept
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2012 21:53:22 GMT
It makes me sad that Arenas sucks nowadays, he was one of my favourite players and I feel like Stern and the league shitcanned him.
That being said I'm with Minnesota on this one. Arenas, O'Neal and a 2nd Rounder possess almost the same amount of value: very little to none. Ryan Anderson is perhaps a little overrated, I think the Magic relied on him too much this year, but he's nevertheless a solid player with a long future ahead of him and, whilst it's not for us to decide Orlando's direction, it would be very easy to clear cap space whilst getting a much bigger return.
Reject again, sorry Blake.
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Post by Aubrey Graham on Jun 28, 2012 22:26:15 GMT
I reject as well, Arenas & JO have little to no value beyond this season as Anderson is comin off a career year
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 29, 2012 16:37:18 GMT
Trade rejected.
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