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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 17, 2014 18:17:57 GMT
Current Rating: 75 Suggested Rating: 81
I'm far from his biggest fan, but judging by the DeRozan rating and thread, I imagine a few of you guys will really love Beal. Even I can say a 75 is certainly too low for him. I'm not sure he's not actually better than DeRozan, since he can actually hit 3's and has pretty similar FG% and FT%, and Rebounds, and just a little under on assists, same steals...
Anyway...
17 points, 3.7 boards, 3.3 ast, 1 steal, shoots 41.9/40.2/78.8 (16 shots/5 shots/2.6FT shots per game)
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2014 20:38:59 GMT
82
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 18, 2014 3:09:10 GMT
Definitely better than a 75, I'd say 80 personally.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Apr 18, 2014 3:18:52 GMT
80
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Apr 18, 2014 14:53:36 GMT
80s seems pretty high for Beal. I think he's still more in the 78 range
I don't really see how Beal is an 81 but MKG is a 74. One excels on offense and one excels on defense. Do we really value offense that much more?
Anyway, I vote 78
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 18, 2014 15:34:39 GMT
80s seems pretty high for Beal. I think he's still more in the 78 range I don't really see how Beal is an 81 but MKG is a 74. One excels on offense and one excels on defense. Do we really value offense that much more? Anyway, I vote 78 Because defense doesn't mean crap if you can't score the ball, look at how the Pacers have been playing, their defense is great but they can't score so they lost a bunch.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2014 15:54:15 GMT
70 until someone raises Damian Lillard.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 19, 2014 2:36:40 GMT
70 until someone raises Damian Lillard. What's wrong with Damian Lillards rating?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 13:55:04 GMT
70 until someone raises Damian Lillard. What's wrong with Damian Lillards rating? Are you kidding me? If Beal is an 81 then Lillard should bean 85+ not using the "Chris Bosh scale."
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 19, 2014 14:02:15 GMT
Make a thread Vlade, your right about that. Walt I thought you were trying to fix egregious over ratings of players, not increase Ians work load.
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Post by Ian Noble on Apr 19, 2014 14:24:57 GMT
I think you guys are jumping on Beal too soon. I worry that's happening with a lot of these threads that I don't have the time to check. Beal has shown all-star potential, these playoffs will be a test of that, but let's keep a conservative hat on please. I agree with Josh's 78.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2014 16:09:29 GMT
Make a thread Vlade, your right about that. Walt I thought you were trying to fix egregious over ratings of players, not increase Ians work load. I did right before the big outpouring of threads and people told me to wait another year...
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Post by Shaquille O'Neal on Apr 19, 2014 17:37:14 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 20, 2014 3:47:30 GMT
Make a thread Vlade, your right about that. Walt I thought you were trying to fix egregious over ratings of players, not increase Ians work load. I'm looking for all ratings that seem off. Beal is way better than a 75, certainly should be a topic of conversation. I am trying to focus on decrease guys b/c I think that's our biggest problem, but I'm looking for anything that catches my eye.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 20, 2014 6:06:16 GMT
Is he though? Because it seems like every time they played the Cavs this year he got out played by Dion or Delly or was out with an injury. Does anyone get to watch a lot of Washington games?
I know the playoffs aren't the full representative of how good a team is, but I'm gonna watch him pretty closely.
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Post by Dan Majerle on Apr 20, 2014 8:23:16 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 21, 2014 1:03:25 GMT
Is he though? Because it seems like every time they played the Cavs this year he got out played by Dion or Delly or was out with an injury. Does anyone get to watch a lot of Washington games? I know the playoffs aren't the full representative of how good a team is, but I'm gonna watch him pretty closely. His team wasn't all that far behind DeRozan's team in the W-L (4 games) and they really have quite similar statistics. DeRozan got an 84 in this league so I do think Beal is much better than a 75, yes. Also, for the same reason why a Playoff Series can be a dangerous thing to judge a player on, basing one player's games against just one team is just as dangerous during the regular season. There can be a matchup issue that gets exploited, but that doesn't take away from the player's overall ability. Gimme 82 games of stats vs 2-4 games against one team in the regular season.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Apr 21, 2014 1:08:58 GMT
Jumping the gun on this one, 78. 3 point increase from you means no, not jumping the gun on putting him up for an increase. I based my 81 on what the league has decided DeRozan is worth. Everyone realizes that Beal actually has a star playing next to him, so that's why his points aren't as high as DeRozan. I firmly believe he could do what DeRozan does. I am not that huge of a Beal fan to be honest, just trying to make the ratings better. If DeRozan is an 84 then Beal is an 81.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Apr 21, 2014 2:21:52 GMT
In all actuality I think this should be more about what Lowry is rated than derozen and Beal.
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Post by James Kay on Apr 21, 2014 20:57:37 GMT
79
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Post by Glenn Robinson on May 6, 2014 18:44:37 GMT
Beal is the real deal.
I say 82 and not just because he's on my team. It's evident his game is evolving into something special. His stats were pretty good in the regular season with 17.1ppg, 3.3apg, 78%FT.
However, what really impresses me is his development in the playoffs this year. He is helping carry that Wizards team.
In 6 games he is averaging 20.7ppg, 4.7apg, 5rpg while shooting 82 percent from the line, 48 percent from outside and 44% inside of three.
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 6, 2014 18:59:49 GMT
I am going to go back to an 81 (changed it mid-thread to an 80 but going to go back to my original conviction).
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Post by Alex English on May 6, 2014 19:04:11 GMT
79. He's too inefficient and doesn't contribute enough in other ways to deserve an 80+ rating. He's still only 20 years old and has shown flashes, but he's not there yet.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 19:06:58 GMT
If you guys want to rate guys during the playoffs as well, i guess ill change mine as well.
I change my rating to an 85. Hes more than a great scorer. He will be an all-star next season. Might as well not beat around the bush...
Ps i am as actually basing this off of Jeremiah Hill rating system. I kinda agree with it somewhat.
I vote 85
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 6, 2014 19:08:32 GMT
I'm with Alex here, I'm standing firm at 78. If this dude was in the Western Conference, he wouldn't be getting any of this hype.
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2014 19:12:35 GMT
Question. If Beal plays this well and the Wizards win over Indy and upset Miami...and they make it to the finals...
Will his age or what conference he js in matter then? Will you guys rate him higher then?
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Post by Glenn Robinson on May 6, 2014 19:43:54 GMT
I'm with Alex here, I'm standing firm at 78. If this dude was in the Western Conference, he wouldn't be getting any of this hype. That is just silly talk. Conferences don't make a player. If he was in the West, he could and probably would be putting up similar type numbers. Sure situations dictate how a player is used and produces to a certain level, but at the end of the day, his hype/talent/contributions all fall on the player.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on May 6, 2014 19:55:23 GMT
I'm with Alex here, I'm standing firm at 78. If this dude was in the Western Conference, he wouldn't be getting any of this hype. That is just silly talk. Conferences don't make a player. If he was in the West, he could and probably would be putting up similar type numbers. Sure situations dictate how a player is used and produces to a certain level, but at the end of the day, his hype/talent/contributions all fall on the player. I meant to say the Wizards would have either been swept in the 1st round or not made the playoffs at all in the West, and no one would be thinking Beal is anything special. For instance, Gerald Green put up very similar numbers to Beal, if not better considering efficiency... but no one is over here arguing for him to be an 82+
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Post by Walt Frazier on May 6, 2014 19:59:35 GMT
I'm with Alex here, I'm standing firm at 78. If this dude was in the Western Conference, he wouldn't be getting any of this hype. This isn't perfect but stick with me here. Total Stats 41.9/40.2/78.8 %'s / 17.1p / 3.7r / 3.3a / 1.0s vs. Eastern Conference 42.7/39.9/76.6 %'s / 16.9p / 3.9r / 3.3a / 0.8s So, nothing exact here, but looks like he plays pretty damn similar in the West as he does in the East. Shoots the 3 and FT better, scores slightly better, steals more...slightly less rebounds and slightly less overall FG% against the West. If he were on a team in the West doing what he's doing, he'd be getting the same attention from me.
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