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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 11, 2013 21:37:55 GMT
I accept, Beasley was great in sim for us and I still feel like he could have a nice season in real life, despite the hatred by others ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) . Anyway, I also save little under $3 Mil. for the off season and the year after, assuming Jameer accepts his overpaid PO.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 11, 2013 21:50:49 GMT
I kinda don't understand why either team are making this trade.
For Orlando it literally leaves them with no point guards at all, and they already have MKG at small forward so they don't need Beasley.
For Brooklyn it's an enormous contract and, just as it's bad for a team to trade away all their picks and we have rules against that, this deal has got me thinking whether we need a rule in place to stop teams becoming the New York Yankees or Real Madrid or something. I know you're looking to be an observer of Free Agency this off season, Mr King, but this makes you a non-entity in Free Agency for the foreseeable future.
I'm scratching my head guys.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 11, 2013 22:44:30 GMT
This trade isn't really unfair but I agree with Ian that it makes absolutely no sense. Orlando will be left with nobody to play point guard and he doesn't need Beasley since he has plenty of players at the 3 and 4 positions. While Brooklyn already has Dragic and would be left with only 3 wing players after this trade. It also continues the trend of endless trading for the Nets. Here are the players that have been acquired by Brooklyn and whether or not they are still on the team:
Serge Ibaka - traded to Toronto
Omer Asik - traded to Los Angeles
Harrison Barnes - traded to Los Angeles
Dion Waiters - traded to Philadelphia
Andrea Bargnani - traded to New Orleans
Zach Randolph - traded to Los Angeles
Andrew Goudelock - traded to Philadelphia Patrick Mills
Andrew Bogut - traded to Philadelphia
Channing Frye - traded to San Antonio Kenneth Faried Thaddeus Young
Gerald Green - traded to Los Angeles Chris Bosh Will Bynum Danilo Gallinari Goran Dragic
Evan Turner - traded to Milwaukee Jared Dudley
Michael Beasley - traded to Orlando
Grant Hill - traded to Orlando Jameer Nelson
That's 8 trades since May 26th including this one and of the 22 players acquired 13 have already been traded away. That list is in chronological order too so I'm sure the second half will be just as struck out as the first half if we just wait another week. It really doesn't look like there is any sort of plan at all in Brooklyn.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 11, 2013 23:22:55 GMT
The relevance to how many trades I've made and why this trade deserves to be accepted/rejected correlates how exactly? I'm very satisfied with all the trades I've made and I have a plan in mind, just because you don't know that plan doesn't mean that you can consider what I've done a failure or a success. I'd also like to run my own team and make whatever trades/decisions I feel are justified. I don't go back and see how many trades you've made to acquire your roster. This trade is fair, I agree, but as I stated before, Jameer Nelsons contract is horrendous and I'm assuming Magic would like to snag another point guard in free agency. Thank you for tallying up my acquisitions, I didn't know I had done so much in such little time. Just goes to show that you can do anything if you set your mind to it. I'll continue making trades that I see are fit and will benefit my team, since the trade committee has not rejected any of my trades, I'll keep assuming that the TC are satisfied and see reasoning behind my trading. If your plan is to trade for players you don't want so you can try and trade them again then that is a stupid plan and it merits tougher standards by the TC. Based on your trade history you're clearly not trading for players you really want. It's actually really obvious here already that you don't want Jameer Nelson. Blake only has his MLE available in free agency so can't get anything but a very average point guard that way, but why are speaking for him in the first place? The way you come across is that you can't decide on anything. You can't decide on the players you want, you can't decide on the direction you want to take your team, and given how much you edit your posts, you can't even decide on what you want to say.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 12, 2013 1:08:02 GMT
You have no idea what my plan is and who are you to say that a plan is stupid? If a GM wants to run his team that way, fine, let him. As long as he doesn't run his team into the ground and make them a mockery in the league, let the GM do whatever he wants. I felt like my team needed a completely different roster than the one established by Marcelo and the very little time I was given, I did the best I could to create a roster that I was satisfied with. As for TC becoming more stringent, that's for Ian to decide. As of today, this trade does not conflict with any rules that I'm aware of. You are right. I don't know what your plan is. That's why I can only guess based on your past moves, and completely trading your entire roster, twice, in two weeks is not a good sign. The other way to try and figure it out is to ask questions, but it seems like the common response to a question from the trade committee is to ask why TC should even exist. So that's not really productive. I'd love Jameer Nelson! I feel he'd be an excellent SG for my team and for many seasons to come. As I said before, I can't sign anyone from free agency and Jameer Nelson is an amazing guard that I would love to have on my side. Where is your source for where it's "obvious" that I don't want Jameer? I said he was an overpaid player and on a downwards slope, but that is obvious to anyone. You want to play Jameer at SG? Or was that a typo? He's undersized already at PG, but whatever. I took what you've said in this thread about him along with your pattern of trading for a player then dealing him again 48 hours later and assumed. Using the word 'obvious' was hyperbolic, that's my mistake. I know I don't have to speak for Blake, but you also don't have to tell General Managers how to run their teams. You don't need to tell me if I need Jameer Nelson or how many wing players I need. I have never once told a GM how to run their team. You don't need Jameer Nelson. I didn't say how many wing players you need, I said how many you'd have left if this trade went through. And here comes the personal attack. I'm a perfectionist, I'll admit it, I'll probably gaze at this post and see tiny errors that nobody will notice but go back and correct them. I can't help it, I'm just a perfectionist and need to ensure things are done by my standards. I didn't insult you or attack you, but you felt the need to attack me, I'm not sure why? I know I don't have to speak for Blake, but you also don't have to tell General Managers how to run their teams. You don't need to tell me if I need Jameer Nelson or how many wing players I need. Your job is to ensure trades are fair and that a team doesn't "self-destruct." Since you've stated already that this trade is fair, you raised a concern that the Orlando Magic would be left without a point guard. I responded and admitted that I too noticed that and offered to ship Blake Will Bynum. He refused and so I assumed he had it covered. Since he can sign a point guard from the free agents pool, he will have a point guard and that should addresses your concern. I'll let Blake justify his reasoning for accepting, I too am curious as to how he will address the point guard concerns. I don't feel my trading tactics should warrant more stringent trade approvals. Some may feel that way, similarly to how some may feel that how you acquired Kyrie Irving was unjust. Of course, that is all based on opinion. Perhaps you should take a look at your plan, your tactics, and your current roster, and decide if what I'm doing is really different from what you've been doing all along? I'm sure there are some differences but, have I not done something entirely similar to what you have done? Since you felt it appropriate and just to insult me, I'll refrain from responding to anything you might have to say in order to avoid another personal attack from you. Well I guess what I said was an insult. I'm not sure saying that you can't decide on what to say is a big deal though, and it comes mostly from the annoyance of going to respond to one of your posts only to find out you've changed it or even completely deleted the section I was going to respond to. But if you took offense then I apologize. Anyways, I've been in way too many stupid internet arguments this past week. I need to go re-evaluate what I'm doing with my spare time.
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Jun 12, 2013 1:16:48 GMT
Reject
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 12, 2013 1:24:48 GMT
Yeah, I am screwed financially for the foreseeable future, so I'm going to work hard in trying to find a new PG. Beasley is a PF IMO, he can play SF IRL and he can be a better SF IRL, but on my roster he was a PF and he rocked it. I am also trying to lose more this season to get a better position in the draft to potentially draft Trey Burke, a PG prospect I find very interesting, and having a hole at the PG spot will help. That's not tanking, I'm only doing it for like half a season that is already a bad season, so if I'm in a bad season why not go for a better pick, right? Plus I'm looking at the future, since Jameer would be a fool to decline the PO in the third year of his contract.
Also, since I'm looking for a PG, anyone down to trade? Everyone but MKG and Val are OTB.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 12, 2013 1:44:16 GMT
Based on this: Yeah, I am screwed financially for the foreseeable future, so I'm going to work hard in trying to find a new PG. and this: Also, since I'm looking for a PG, anyone down to trade? Everyone but MKG and Val are OTB. I'm going to reject. Blake has zero point guards, no cap space and no plan to address the issue beyond waiting for the draft. That's enough for me.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 12, 2013 1:52:05 GMT
This is a fairly consistent thing we've run into, where if a team is making a trade that leaves them with zero of a certain position, the committee generally doesn't like that.
Yes you might have a plan but until we see another deal actually posted where you solve that issue, it gets rejected pretty often.
I have to reject as well, just b/c Orlando is left with zero PG.
I might accept this trade though if he goes and gets a PG first, then re-posts this deal afterwards.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 12, 2013 1:58:33 GMT
if he goes and gets a PG first, then re-posts this deal afterwards. I'll assume this is mutual of all the TC members and would like to ask BRK if we can wait and restart this after I get a PG. I'm not changing my mind and am high on this, if you agree, just say so here and I'll start my journey to find a PG.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 4:32:16 GMT
I wish someone would tell Denver that he is not a sim league god. In all honesty, Brooklyn's team looks good and trading for players and then re-trading them for value IS A GREAT STRATEGY. Not sure what Denver is bitching about, not everyone can just rip people off and get great young talent for nothing, but I am getting sick of it.
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Post by Blake Bowman on Jun 12, 2013 4:55:13 GMT
Well $HIT...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 5:41:53 GMT
Amazing....
I think this is a fair trade. Yeah guys I am back to speak my mind at times. Again, I think the CM is way overboard. Almost to the point it seems they want to run everyones teams.
If a trade is FAIR...It gets accepted. Nothing else needs to be said about it. If its fair it shouldn't be denied. You guys do not need to look at anything else about a teams trade except if its fair. If you look that deep into a trade, then you are deciding on the trade because you as a basketball fan feel its bad for the teams. That's trying to run a team!! A team that's not your team. I came back to this league because I respect Ian. No one else. I do believe though that something needs to change. Like I said previously...if it doesn't...things are not looking good for D5.
Im stating facts. How I see it. Nothing more...
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