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Post by Allen Iverson on Jun 6, 2013 3:43:01 GMT
I accept. Hard for me to give up Turner and Pekovic. But I do think Waiters has more upside and currently has a cheaper contract than Turner.
Bogut has been great defensively for the Warriors and I really think I'll be paying Pekovic around Bogut's salary if I choose to stay and re-sign him.
Nate Robinson has a cheap contract for a 78 rated player and Chicago can't re-sign him IRL and by the way he played for the Bulls, he'll be paid somewhere more than his contract here in D5.
Projected Starting 5:
Bogut-Gibson-Wallace-Carter/Waiters-Lawson
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 6, 2013 3:55:30 GMT
Just a note, we need ratings and full contracts on all players.
Brooklyn you can just put those in, you don't have to have one of us do it. Plus I think only Ian can modify your post so go ahead and do it yourself.
Once that is done and Lakers accepts I'll put in my vote.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 6, 2013 4:17:48 GMT
No problem, thanks for updating all of that!
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Magic Johnson
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Post by Magic Johnson on Jun 6, 2013 14:21:48 GMT
I accept.
I get a solid replacement and a future all-star in Harrison Barnes.
Pekovic is a solid center that can become instant trade asset.
Gerald Green is a pretty cheap and efficient player now that can play both SG/SF positions, sometimes I may want to play small ball and in that case I can put Barnes at PF and have Green or Afflalo at SF.
Nate Robinson although is not Goran Dragic is still a decent PG and can still get good productions out of him.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 6, 2013 19:54:09 GMT
I got the original trade from Magic earlier. Why is Damien Wilkins in the deal now? Brooklyn needs to stop editing the trade posts and putting in players and taking out players.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 6, 2013 20:26:28 GMT
Without sending Damien Wilkins and dropping Quincy Miller, the trade would be rejected by the committee because it would be against several of the trade rules. I apologies for the editing but it had to have been done to avoid a rejection because of salaries. If you take a look at the original one (without Wilkins and Goudelock going to the Lakers): Total Incoming: $16,178,375 (with the 1.25 rule already applied) Total outgoing: $17,731,000 Even with the 125% rule, the salaries do not match. With Wilkins and Goudelock being shipped, the salaries just barely allow the trade to be passed. Lakers receive: $17,743,843 (with the 1.25 rule already applied) Lakers send: $17,731,000 Now with the salaries properly balanced, the trade can be accepted. Quincy Miller has to be dropped to conform to the no more than 15 players on the roster rule. I sent Philadelphia a message as well and he agreed that there was a major problem and so we worked out the salaries and sent a copy to Magic privately. Perhaps I've misunderstood the 125% rule which is very confusing to be honest, but can someone confirm that the trade wouldn't work if Goudelock and Wilkins weren't traded to Lakers? The original post will no longer be touched/modified; the committee can evaluate it now. The 125% rule only applies when incoming salaries exceed outgoing salaries. There are no rules limiting how much you can lower your payroll in a trade. So what is the actual trade? With no additional players.
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Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 7, 2013 16:19:36 GMT
Looking over this deal, I think LAL somewhat takes a hit. I like the deal for BRK and PHI side of things however. I do like Harrison Barnes a lot though and Nate Robinson has been a very good player this year. I don't think it's enough to reject it.
I accept
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 7, 2013 17:07:31 GMT
Overall, a solid deal. I could nitpick some things but bottom line - Accept.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 7, 2013 19:00:24 GMT
Solid trade for the Nets and Sixers but I really don't like this for the Lakers. He further dilutes the talent on his team. Green is a role player. Nate, as explosive as he is, is still a role player. Barnes had an average rookie year and I'm not sure he'll ever be as good as Gallinari. Finally, there is Pekovic, who will never re-sign with Asik, Randolph and Vucevic in town and there is not a lot of time left to trade him. There are three starting quality players for his part of the trade, Gallo, Dragic and Pekovic. Two of them he is giving up and he can't possibly keep the third.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 7, 2013 19:06:41 GMT
I'm a lot higher on Barnes and a little higher on Robinson, plus he saves a lot of money. I've always been a big Gallinari fan and probably always will be, just a cool guy and fun to watch, but personally that contract is a little large for what he has proven.
The chance he gets a stud in Barnes plus Robinson being a very nice (though very different) and comparable option to Dragic, but a lot cheaper and signed for a couple years still too, makes it ok for me.
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Post by Alex English on Jun 7, 2013 19:15:59 GMT
Nate proved both in the regular season and especially in the playoffs that he was capable of not only starting but controlling the offense for a team. No he didn't. He only started 23 of the 82 games and played only 25 mpg. Maybe Barnes had an average rookie year, but the kid has so much upside to him that it's ridiculous. That's a matter of opinion, and it's an opinion I don't share. I don't think Barnes has All-Star potential. Also, Lakers desperately need a new center and Pekovic can jump right in. How do you figure that? He has Omer Asik and Nikola Vucevic as well as Zach Randolph at the four.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2013 20:36:05 GMT
That's a matter of opinion, and it's an opinion I don't share. I don't think Barnes has All-Star potential. Then why did you like the Net's side of the deal when we made the Westbrook for Barnes, Waiters, and Ibaka deal?
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Post by Dominique Wilkins on Jun 7, 2013 20:46:35 GMT
Accept
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 7, 2013 22:43:22 GMT
I agree with others that the Lakers get the bum end of the deal, but also agree that it's not to a degree that's worth rejecting purely because of Barnes' potential.
I accept.
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Glenn Robinson
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 8, 2013 13:44:18 GMT
This trade should be passed now.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 8, 2013 17:19:54 GMT
The Nets need to sign a player before this deal can go through.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 8, 2013 17:36:39 GMT
The Nets need to sign a player before this deal can go through. Mike James has now been signed with the Brooklyn Nets.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 8, 2013 19:12:38 GMT
Thanks Glenn! Trade passed.
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