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Post by George Gervin on Jun 15, 2019 22:45:31 GMT
Well, Klutch Sports completes their coup and gets AD to the Lakers for Ball, Ingram, Hart, #4, and two future 1st rounders. Doesn’t say yet what the pick protections are, but my guess is unprotected.
Pelicans with a good haul here and will be interesting now if they grab Culver or someone else at #4
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Post by Jerry West on Jun 15, 2019 23:04:28 GMT
Fuck the Lakers.
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Post by Jerry West on Jun 15, 2019 23:05:30 GMT
Also Lonzo doesn't fit with Zion at all Zion needs spacing, if Pels are smart they will try to trade him to the Suns for the 6 since he fits better with alongisde Booker and leave this draft with Zion, Culver and Garland.
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Post by George Gervin on Jun 15, 2019 23:19:49 GMT
Garland is a good theoretical fit, but it might make more sense for them to deal Lonzo to a team like Boston for that Memphis 2020 1st or even the Bulls who could offer 7 plus some other stuff. Either way agreed that Lonzo doesn’t help space the floor next to Zion, but he’s at least holding his own defensively; I have no clue what Garland is gonna do defensively
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Post by Dell Demps on Jun 16, 2019 2:46:58 GMT
heard the Pelicans are still going to make moves that includes the 4th pick. This was a short-sighted trade made by the Lakers and I'm not even surprised with it considering they signed Lebron last summer.
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Post by George Gervin on Jun 16, 2019 3:44:36 GMT
The picks the Pelicans got on top of #4 are fully UNPROTECTED for the 2023 and 2025 drafts. Or, put a different way, when LeBron and AD are 38 and 30 in 2023, and then 40 and 32 in 2025.
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Post by Tim Duncan on Jun 16, 2019 4:02:07 GMT
Lakers sabotaged their future by this move but given that they have Bron and the Warriors missing Kd and Klay for almost the entire season they are going for a ring next season
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 16, 2019 4:13:40 GMT
I don't think the Lakers make it out of the West tbh.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jun 16, 2019 4:41:00 GMT
Also Lonzo doesn't fit with Zion at all Zion needs spacing, if Pels are smart they will try to trade him to the Suns for the 6 since he fits better with alongisde Booker and leave this draft with Zion, Culver and Garland. They can. If they play fast and maximize as many transition opportunities as possible, Lonzo's passing plus Zion's athletic finishing would be a hell of a combo.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 16, 2019 6:17:26 GMT
Those Lakers picks in 2023/24/25 are gonna be gold.
I don't even really like Ingram or Lonzo but David Griffin did an amazing job with this trade
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 16, 2019 6:49:06 GMT
Another wrinkle to this trade.
The Pelicans have reverse protected the Lakers 2021 first 9-30, so it's likely to roll over into 2022, the double draft.
The 2024 Lakers 1st can also be deferred to 2025 at the Pelicans discretion.
Anthony Davis is a definite hall of famer and possibly one of the 25 best players ever so I get why the Lakers did the trade. But this is so much to give up for a guy with 1 year on his contract.
Stupendous job by David Griffin. The Pelicans have an extremely bright future. I think this is going to go down as one of the best trades ever for a team trading away a superstar
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 16, 2019 6:54:49 GMT
The Lakers are such a joke. They’ve basically missed on every single draft pick over the last 5 years so their entire team building strategy has become waiting around and hoping a FA wants to come to LA. Now they’ve traded all of their young assets, a top 5 pick, and mortgaged 6 years into the future just to get AD there a year early.
The icing on the cake is going to be when they waste their remaining cap space on a mediocre Kemba Walker for 5 years.
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Post by Jerry West on Jun 16, 2019 10:40:33 GMT
I like Kemba, but that starting lineup next year ain't gonna be that good on the defensive end if they sign Kemba.
Kemba DBPM = -1.7 KCP DBPM = -1.2 LBJ DBPM = 1.9 (Surprisingly high for the media he gets, still feel like his defence is lacklustre in the regular season tho) Kuzma DBPM = -1.3 AD DBPM = 3.9
So AD and LBJ are the only plus guys they have on defence with LeBron turning 35 next year and AD playing 70 games or more only two times in his career. Fun fact, do you know who had a higher 3PT% than all of those guys on 3 attempts a game? Rajon Rondo.
Imo they should go after Butler and get a lineup of Rondo, Butler, LBJ, Kuzma and AD. Feel like that gives them a better chance at winning.
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Post by George Gervin on Jun 16, 2019 12:22:09 GMT
The rumors are rampant for the 4th pick now, with the Pelicans looking to land a veteran center for it. Some interesting names thrown out: Domantas Sabonis, Steven Adams, Andre Drummond, and Mo Bamba.
Not sure I like the fit of any of those guys next to Zion (with the exception of Bamba if he actually develops), but it’d increase the haul even more from this deal
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Post by Jerry West on Jun 16, 2019 12:25:26 GMT
The rumors are rampant for the 4th pick now, with the Pelicans looking to land a veteran center for it. Some interesting names thrown out: Domantas Sabonis, Steven Adams, Andre Drummond, and Mo Bamba. Not sure I like the fit of any of those guys next to Zion (with the exception of Bamba if he actually develops), but it’d increase the haul even more from this deal Veteran centers / Mo Bamba. Pick one
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Post by George Gervin on Jun 16, 2019 12:28:07 GMT
The rumors are rampant for the 4th pick now, with the Pelicans looking to land a veteran center for it. Some interesting names thrown out: Domantas Sabonis, Steven Adams, Andre Drummond, and Mo Bamba. Not sure I like the fit of any of those guys next to Zion (with the exception of Bamba if he actually develops), but it’d increase the haul even more from this deal Veteran centers / Mo Bamba. Pick one Personally if I’m dealing #4 for any of them, it’s Adams as he’s been through playoff rounds and would be the kind of smart player they need who knows his role. I’d bet something like #4 for Adams + #21 would be done in a heartbeat by OKC
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Post by Tim Duncan on Jun 16, 2019 12:59:37 GMT
Veteran centers / Mo Bamba. Pick one Personally if I’m dealing #4 for any of them, it’s Adams as he’s been through playoff rounds and would be the kind of smart player they need who knows his role. I’d bet something like #4 for Adams + #21 would be done in a heartbeat by OKC Not sure whether they would do such a move but i could see a 3 way sending Adams to NOP Beal to Okc and 4th to WAS with OKC givin up some more assets too
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 16, 2019 13:17:48 GMT
^ implying Steven Adams has positive value
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Post by Billy King on Jun 16, 2019 13:36:50 GMT
Fuck what a bad trade for the Pelicans. A bunch of busts and picks 4 years from now isn't exactly exciting as a fan. Was really hoping to get something nice from DA (Tatum straight up over this package imo) but of course the NOP GM is garbage as usual
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Post by Billy King on Jun 16, 2019 13:39:00 GMT
I like Kemba, but that starting lineup next year ain't gonna be that good on the defensive end if they sign Kemba. Kemba DBPM = -1.7 KCP DBPM = -1.2 LBJ DBPM = 1.9 (Surprisingly high for the media he gets, still feel like his defence is lacklustre in the regular season tho) Kuzma DBPM = -1.3 AD DBPM = 3.9 So AD and LBJ are the only plus guys they have on defence with LeBron turning 35 next year and AD playing 70 games or more only two times in his career. Fun fact, do you know who had a higher 3PT% than all of those guys on 3 attempts a game? Rajon Rondo. Imo they should go after Butler and get a lineup of Rondo, Butler, LBJ, Kuzma and AD. Feel like that gives them a better chance at winning. Warm take that shouldn't be: AD is bad at defense. He gets decent blocks and such but his team defense is pretty poor. The Pelicans have been a garbage defensive team the entire time he has been there and while he hasn't been surrounded by good offensive players most of them have been above average dwfenders.
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Post by Jerry West on Jun 16, 2019 13:42:50 GMT
Fuck what a bad trade for the Pelicans. A bunch of busts and picks 4 years from now isn't exactly exciting as a fan. Was really hoping to get something nice from DA (Tatum straight up over this package imo) but of course the NOP GM is garbage as usual Can't trade for Tatum when he isn't interested the block
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Post by Billy King on Jun 16, 2019 14:35:53 GMT
the big positive here is with ball in NOP we won't be seeing anymore of his dumbass dad on tv
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Post by George Gervin on Jun 16, 2019 14:45:36 GMT
the big positive here is with ball in NOP we won't be seeing anymore of his dumbass dad on tv LaVar will fund his way to TV— he can’t help himself
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jun 16, 2019 16:38:23 GMT
I like Kemba, but that starting lineup next year ain't gonna be that good on the defensive end if they sign Kemba. Kemba DBPM = -1.7 KCP DBPM = -1.2 LBJ DBPM = 1.9 (Surprisingly high for the media he gets, still feel like his defence is lacklustre in the regular season tho) Kuzma DBPM = -1.3 AD DBPM = 3.9 So AD and LBJ are the only plus guys they have on defence with LeBron turning 35 next year and AD playing 70 games or more only two times in his career. Fun fact, do you know who had a higher 3PT% than all of those guys on 3 attempts a game? Rajon Rondo. Imo they should go after Butler and get a lineup of Rondo, Butler, LBJ, Kuzma and AD. Feel like that gives them a better chance at winning. Warm take that shouldn't be: AD is bad at defense. He gets decent blocks and such but his team defense is pretty poor. The Pelicans have been a garbage defensive team the entire time he has been there and while he hasn't been surrounded by good offensive players most of them have been above average dwfenders. People really do have a habit of overhyping AD's defense. Shit only have two decent player in Memphis with Conley and Gasol both being great defenders got them to the playoffs. If AD is as good as we say he shouldn't have had any problem making the playoffs like he has.
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