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Post by George Gervin on Feb 1, 2019 20:32:12 GMT
Current: 96 Proposed: 98 His trade histrionics aside, his numbers this season are matched only by Kareem based on across the board counting stats, and he’s having his usual super efficient season. Basketball reference link below for more details: www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/davisan02.html
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 1, 2019 20:53:20 GMT
98 is sacrilege, only Lebron occupies that rarefied air right now, not Harden, Durant or Steph even. AD hasn't even proven he's a ticket to the playoffs on a regular basis.
96
No change.
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Post by Jared Montini on Feb 1, 2019 21:09:50 GMT
AD can't lead a team like a 98 should. 95.25
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Post by Jerry West on Feb 1, 2019 21:44:07 GMT
Hold up.
He has great teammates around him in Randle and Mitotic. One of the and probably the best Defensive PG in the league, and still can't achieve nothing.
I know this will be controversial but this dude makes Jrue Holiday underrated.
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Post by Mark Price on Feb 1, 2019 23:58:22 GMT
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Post by Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Feb 2, 2019 0:45:45 GMT
94 ^^
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Feb 5, 2019 16:46:03 GMT
Lol he's gonna get lowered!
Also Jerry West, Julius Randle is not good.
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Post by Jerry West on Feb 5, 2019 16:53:56 GMT
Lol he's gonna get lowered! Also Jerry West, Julius Randle is not good. Debatable, but to me a player who is at best the 3rd option and averages 20/9/3 it's a good player
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 5, 2019 17:06:54 GMT
Lol he's gonna get lowered! Also Jerry West, Julius Randle is not good. Debatable, but to me a player who is at best the 3rd option and averages 20/9/3 it's a good player He's one of the worst defensive players I've ever seen. Not even exaggerating
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 5, 2019 17:08:26 GMT
98. Davis is having a year comparable to prime kg. He's on track to be a top 10 all time player. The Pelicans have 5 nba level players, the rest of the team belongs in the g league. Their struggles have nothing to do with Anthony Davis
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Post by Mike Krzyzewski on Feb 5, 2019 17:12:37 GMT
Agreed he is having a tremendous year but the current rating of 96 already exemplifies that.
Although I love him, no change at this point for me.
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Post by Jerry West on Feb 5, 2019 17:13:14 GMT
Debatable, but to me a player who is at best the 3rd option and averages 20/9/3 it's a good player He's one of the worst defensive players I've ever seen. Not even exaggerating I mean he is bad, but he isn't Jabari Parker, Jordan Clarkson, Carmelo Anthony or Trae Young bad. Most teams would kill to have a 6th man like him
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 5, 2019 17:26:49 GMT
Debatable, but to me a player who is at best the 3rd option and averages 20/9/3 it's a good player He's one of the worst defensive players I've ever seen. Not even exaggerating Must not watch booker or trae young much. You can make an easy argument that he is having a better season than booker. Maybe that isn’t saying much for him, but rather saying booker sucks.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 5, 2019 17:40:26 GMT
He's one of the worst defensive players I've ever seen. Not even exaggerating Must not watch booker or trae young much. You can make an easy argument that he is having a better season than booker. Maybe that isn’t saying much for him, but rather saying booker sucks. It's a much bigger impact when a big man is a bad defender than a guard. You can hide guards. Julius is often the rim protector when he plays without ad. He's got T-Rex arms, no instincts and looks completely lost most of the time. When they play him at pf he's way to slow to chase guys around the perimeter and constantly messes up rotations. Half the time he's just standing around.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 5, 2019 17:46:43 GMT
Must not watch booker or trae young much. You can make an easy argument that he is having a better season than booker. Maybe that isn’t saying much for him, but rather saying booker sucks. It's a much bigger impact when a big man is a bad defender than a guard. You can hide them guards. Julius is often the rim protector when he plays without ad. He's got T-Rex arms, no instincts and looks completely lost most of the time. When they play him at pf he's way to slow to chase guys around the perimeter and constantly messes up rotations. Half the time he's just standing around. Can't argue when the stats show those two are much worse than him. Can try all you want though. Both Booker and Young have a DBPM of -3.1, Randle -.01. Randles VORP is better, both offensive and defensive win shares are better. And guess what? He has a higher 3P% than trae young. Both Booker and Young average almost 4 turnovers again with a small usage percentage increase. Randle has a higher offensive and defensive rating as well. Just don't see how one can say those two are better than Randle this season. We all know he is in positional purgatory based on his physicals. He really should be a SF, but is too slow. Just going to sit here and wait for AD and Holiday to be name dropped.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 5, 2019 17:52:01 GMT
98. Davis is having a year comparable to prime kg. He's on track to be a top 10 all time player. The Pelicans have 5 nba level players, the rest of the team belongs in the g league. Their struggles have nothing to do with Anthony Davis He's only made the playoffs twice in his seven year career though, and last year he needed Boogie to get him there, and this year they're 3rd Last in the West even with Jrue and Randle. Embiid made it to the second round in his first full season. Towns made it to the playoffs last season. Jokic is leading the Nuggets to the high seeds this season. I recognise AD as the best big in the league, but if he's 98 then that's a serious lapse of historical judgement imho. Please reconsider.
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Post by James Kay on Feb 5, 2019 18:06:37 GMT
98. Davis is having a year comparable to prime kg. He's on track to be a top 10 all time player. The Pelicans have 5 nba level players, the rest of the team belongs in the g league. Their struggles have nothing to do with Anthony Davis He's only made the playoffs twice in his seven year career though, and last year he needed Boogie to get him there I mean... After Boogie went down, AD took the team to a 21-13 record averaging 30 points, 12 rebounds, 3.2 blocks, 2.0 steals on 51/34/85 shooting. Don't think that's fair.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Feb 5, 2019 18:07:33 GMT
Kevin HollisDBPM accounts for box score stats not defense. It's inherently a flawed way to measure someone's defensive impact. Julius has a DRPM of -1.22 which is 65th among centers, behind Deandre Ayton, Jahlil Okafor and Miles Plumlee. If you want to classify him as a PF he's 84th behind Kyle Kuzma, Channing Frye and Dragan Bender. DRPM isn't the be all end all stat (it does take into account lineup data making it way better than DBPM). I didn't even know Randle's ranking before I looked it up now. It's just obvious if you watch him on the court. I've seen him live twice and countless times on TV this year. He's a giant liability on that end. He is a good offensive player, I am not arguing that
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 5, 2019 18:36:11 GMT
He's only made the playoffs twice in his seven year career though, and last year he needed Boogie to get him there I mean... After Boogie went down, AD took the team to a 21-13 record averaging 30 points, 12 rebounds, 3.2 blocks, 2.0 steals on 51/34/85 shooting. Don't think that's fair. And then he made the playoffs for the second time in his seven year career, and the only other time he made it to the playoffs was 6 years ago! I get that his stats are off the charts. I get that he's the best big in the game. But you don't give a 98 rating to a guy with a completely shitty playoff CV - you give it to Tim Duncan, to Shaq, to Lebron James after years of sustained greatness. In fact Tim Duncan and Shaq probably never made it to a 98 rating. It's absolute sacrilege to bypass those guys and give AD a 98 rating right now. Kevin Garnett would never make a 98 rating, Kobe Bryant never made 98.
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Post by James Kay on Feb 5, 2019 18:38:59 GMT
I mean... After Boogie went down, AD took the team to a 21-13 record averaging 30 points, 12 rebounds, 3.2 blocks, 2.0 steals on 51/34/85 shooting. Don't think that's fair. And then he made the playoffs for the second time in his seven year career, and the only other time he made it to the playoffs was 6 years ago! I get that his stats are off the charts. I get that he's the best big in the game. But you don't give a 98 rating to a guy with a completely shitty playoff CV - you give it to Tim Duncan, to Shaq, to Lebron James after years of sustained greatness. In fact Tim Duncan and Shaq probably never made it to a 98 rating. It's absolute sacrilege to bypass those guys and give AD a 98 rating right now. Yeah I wasn't arguing any of that lol I was just saying I'm not so sure Boogie was what pushed him to the playoffs.
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Feb 5, 2019 18:42:59 GMT
Kevin Hollis DBPM accounts for box score stats not defense. It's inherently a flawed way to measure someone's defensive impact. Julius has a DRPM of -1.22 which is 65th among centers, behind Deandre Ayton, Jahlil Okafor and Miles Plumlee. If you want to classify him as a PF he's 84th behind Kyle Kuzma, Channing Frye and Dragan Bender. DRPM isn't the be all end all stat (it does take into account lineup data making it way better than DBPM). I didn't even know Randle's ranking before I looked it up now. It's just obvious if you watch him on the court. I've seen him live twice and countless times on TV this year. He's a giant liability on that end. He is a good offensive player, I am not arguing that It's all good. I know he is flawed, but isn't trash like people tend to think.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 6, 2019 12:44:20 GMT
I agree with some of the arguments above. Davis can't say that he hasn't had a supporting cast. He's not on that super super star level of 95+ IMO.
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Post by Ian Noble on Feb 6, 2019 13:21:37 GMT
I'm going to change my vote down 1 point to a 95.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Feb 6, 2019 13:49:36 GMT
I'm really torn between:
The fact that his production in an incredibly varied set of categories probably would get him a 103 rating...
Vs
Our standard of who usually gets these 95+ ratings. In this standard he probably has only "earned" something like a 92-93.
Me personally, I've traditionally leaned on side one of this equation, and I'm going to stick with that.
I say stay at 96.
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Feb 6, 2019 14:36:58 GMT
Just keep him at 96. Not on a super super star level... Get out of here with that.
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Post by Alex English on Feb 6, 2019 17:36:35 GMT
97
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Feb 16, 2019 14:56:56 GMT
Thread closed after 12 votes. New rating = 96 (no change)
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