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Post by Jerry West on Jan 2, 2019 18:16:28 GMT
Current: 75 Proposed: 82
On just 26 minutes a night, Allen is averaging 11.6/8.1 while also adding 1.4 blocks per game, including blocks on LeBron, Giannis and Blake Griffin. He is arguably already a top 10/15 interior defender in the NBA due to his mix of size and speed.
Add to that his 58% FG shooting (even while taking almost a 3 per game) and his 72% from the FT line and you have yourself a solid player who is having a really solid Sophomore Season and looks to have a bright future ahead of him.
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Post by Alex English on Jan 2, 2019 22:41:33 GMT
78
Still way too early for him to earn an 80+ rating imo. There are bigs that produce more, at more efficient rates, and in less playing time than Jarrett Allen that aren't getting 82 ratings here.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jan 3, 2019 1:33:26 GMT
78
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Post by George Gervin on Jan 3, 2019 4:59:05 GMT
79
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 3, 2019 17:34:28 GMT
81 expecting to go mid 80s by the end of the season. This guy is super underrated
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 3, 2019 17:36:00 GMT
78 Still way too early for him to earn an 80+ rating imo. There are bigs that produce more, at more efficient rates, and in less playing time than Jarrett Allen that aren't getting 82 ratings here. More efficient than 63% true shooting on 17% usage and 12.8% tov versus 8.6% assist?
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jan 3, 2019 18:22:28 GMT
80
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Post by Alex English on Jan 3, 2019 19:14:02 GMT
78 Still way too early for him to earn an 80+ rating imo. There are bigs that produce more, at more efficient rates, and in less playing time than Jarrett Allen that aren't getting 82 ratings here. More efficient than 63% true shooting on 17% usage and 12.8% tov versus 8.6% assist? Five guys who play less than Allen and are more efficient: Jonas Valanciunas Domantas Sabonis Boban Marjanovic Willy Hernangomez Jakob Poeltl Comparison of statsIf you look at their per 36 stats, you could make an argument that Allen is the worst of those six players. I'm not saying Allen is bad or anything, I'm just saying there are a ton of NBA bigs that do a lot with a little. I don't think it makes sense to rate players based on what they could do if given the chance, there's nothing really objective about that. It only makes sense to rate players based on what they've done, and I don't think Jarrett Allen has earned an 80+ rating yet. It's possible he will, because being a super efficient player in limited playing time can be the sign of a budding star, but it often isn't. Kenneth Faried, Brandan Wright, Amir Johnson, and a hundred other guys I could name, were all super efficient players that never expanded on that role to become a full time star. This is becoming too much to write for Jarrett Allen, my point is I don't see how he's doing anything special or unique, for now he's just a solid player that deserves a solid rating.
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Post by Jerry West on Jan 3, 2019 19:43:47 GMT
More efficient than 63% true shooting on 17% usage and 12.8% tov versus 8.6% assist? Five guys who play less than Allen and are more efficient: Jonas Valanciunas Domantas Sabonis Boban Marjanovic Willy Hernangomez Jakob Poeltl Comparison of statsIf you look at their per 36 stats, you could make an argument that Allen is the worst of those six players. I'm not saying Allen is bad or anything, I'm just saying there are a ton of NBA bigs that do a lot with a little. I don't think it makes sense to rate players based on what they could do if given the chance, there's nothing really objective about that. It only makes sense to rate players based on what they've done, and I don't think Jarrett Allen has earned an 80+ rating yet. It's possible he will, because being a super efficient player in limited playing time can be the sign of a budding star, but it often isn't. Kenneth Faried, Brandan Wright, Amir Johnson, and a hundred other guys I could name, were all super efficient players that never expanded on that role to become a full time star. This is becoming too much to write for Jarrett Allen, my point is I don't see how he's doing anything special or unique, for now he's just a solid player that deserves a solid rating. I'll take Allen defense over any of those guys, and I don't know how you could argue Poelt stats are better over 36, or the fact that by tripling Willy Gomez minutes it's not going to inflate his stats, that's like inflating a end of the bench guys stats to per 36 and then say he should start. The one guy you can make a case for is Sabonis, there's no denying that he is a great player and should be starting in this league, but his defense doesn't come CLOSE to Jarret Allen. Jarret is so underrated that in our sim he averages 8 minutes per game and can't even score a point per game, that should tell you everything you need to know about him right now.
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Post by Alex English on Jan 3, 2019 20:11:55 GMT
I'll take Allen defense over any of those guys, and I don't know how you could argue Poelt stats are better over 36, or the fact that by tripling Willy Gomez minutes it's not going to inflate his stats, that's like inflating a end of the bench guys stats to per 36 and then say he should start. The one guy you can make a case for is Sabonis, there's no denying that he is a great player and should be starting in this league, but his defense doesn't come CLOSE to Jarret Allen. Jarret is so underrated that in our sim he averages 8 minutes per game and can't even score a point per game, that should tell you everything you need to know about him right now. I can make the argument saying Poeltl has more rebounds, more assists, basically equal blocks. His 2 less ppg comes from 0.8 less shot attempts and 1.8 less free throw attempts. Their TS% is basically the same. Poeltl overall impact looks better though with higher WS/48 and Box Score Plus-Minus and equal PER. Poeltl is the only guy that's comparable though, the other four are significantly more efficient than Allen with their minutes. I'm not sure what your argument is with Willy. If you gave him more minutes his per game stats wouldn't change? He has 39 career games with more than 20 minutes played. In those games he's averaging 25.7 minutes, 12.1 points, 9.5 rebounds. That's better than what Allen is doing this season. Overall though, Allen is at most the third best player in this group. Valanciunas is #1, Sabonis is #2. Valanciunas is rated 80 and Sabonis is rated 78. Finally, I don't think using in game stats is a a good argument. He's only the fifth highest rated post player on the team after Jonas, Portis, WCS, and Ed Davis, so of course he's doesn't play very much.
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Post by Jerry West on Jan 3, 2019 20:17:42 GMT
What I'm saying is that if we go by per 36 and ignore defense Boban is by far the best player of those.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jan 3, 2019 20:35:01 GMT
Alex brings up good points in his reply. Can't over rely on per 36.
That said of the list you produced Jarrett is significantly better on defense than everyone outside of perhaps poetl (haven't watched him enough to say either way).
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Post by Alex English on Jan 3, 2019 20:35:52 GMT
What I'm saying is that if we go by per 36 and ignore defense Boban is by far the best player of those. I mean, if you've watched a lot of Boban play, that's not a crazy thing to say. He's complete beast and he dominates pretty much everyone put in front of him. If it was 1999 instead of 2019 I think Boban would be a perennial All-Star. Since the game has moved to the perimeters though, and bigs need to show some ability to switch on to guards and wings, or at least hedge and recover, he's kind of limited to specific match ups. He's still really damn talented though.
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Post by Jerry West on Jan 3, 2019 20:40:28 GMT
What I'm saying is that if we go by per 36 and ignore defense Boban is by far the best player of those. I mean, if you've watched a lot of Boban play, that's not a crazy thing to say. He's complete beast and he dominates pretty much everyone put in front of him. If it was 1999 instead of 2019 I think Boban would be a perennial All-Star. Since the game has moved to the perimeters though, and bigs need to show some ability to switch on to guards and wings, or at least hedge and recover, he's kind of limited to specific match ups. He's still really damn talented though. Trust me, I'm a Clippers fan, I've watched every minute Boban played this year. Look I'm not saying your points are bad, they are good points, all valid. What I'm saying is that there is a reason those guys don't play 36 minutes, and out of all of those listed, I feel Jarret is the better defender by a mile. It's ok if you disagree, heck maybe you are more correct than me. But for my money, I would take Allen over those guys this season already. With maybe the exception of Val who is stuck in the best team in the East and Ibaka is clearly a better fit at center.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jan 4, 2019 4:57:53 GMT
Going 79 right now.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jan 14, 2019 9:25:33 GMT
Thread closed after 7 votes. New rating = 79
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