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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 12, 2018 0:01:53 GMT
Cleveland Trade 73 Cedi Osman $8,000,000 $8,000,000 $8,000,000
Utah Trade 2019 MIL 2nd 2021 UTA 2nd
We accept. It is kinda sad that we need to give up Osman but we badly need capspace. We trust our scouting team that those two 2nd round picks will be worth it.
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Post by Elton Brand on Jul 12, 2018 0:07:20 GMT
I accept. Cedi Osman looks ready to take on an important role as Cleveland begins rebuilding irl. He has been doing very well in the Summer League and I have faith that he’ll go on to become a great player.
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Post by Alex English on Jul 12, 2018 0:13:57 GMT
Accept
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Post by Elton Brand on Jul 12, 2018 0:28:11 GMT
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 12, 2018 0:30:24 GMT
I'm OK with this one.
Accept
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jul 12, 2018 0:49:11 GMT
Accept
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Post by Mark Price on Jul 12, 2018 1:00:01 GMT
I really like Cedi. Even though he's a little pricey, I really like his upside. It's a good deal for Utah considering all of their cap space.
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 12, 2018 1:08:31 GMT
Who is Hana getting that he needs all this damn cap space?
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 12, 2018 1:14:00 GMT
Also I wonder what kind of promises we're granted to Cedi.
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Post by Mark Price on Jul 12, 2018 2:04:24 GMT
Who is Hana getting that he needs all this damn cap space? We literally had a trade in place that was Rodney Hood for Cedi. It was probably not the best move on my part (I'm really high on Cedi), but to reject that deal for two second round picks is kind of crazy. I'm not sure what the point of $65+ million in cap space is when LeBron and Giannis are already off the market and you already have a starting SG in Lavine so Oladipo probably isn't on the market either. Idk man. IDK.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 12, 2018 2:15:44 GMT
Cleveland trades away a player for cents on the dollar as another player who is similarly situated signs with the team? Ian Noble are we sure the Covington deal was not conditional? I also don't really understand how Walt Frazier can accept this yet reject the Ibaka-Parsons deal. Stands by the patented "not enough to reject." I don't know how anyone sees this as anything other than extremely lopsided. You guys do realize that Cedi is about to walk into a starting position on the Cavs? Will those 2nd round picks ever sniff 20 minutes a game? All this combined with Price's offer of Hood straight up? Milwaukee's 2019 second is in the 50's. Utah's 2021 can be damn near just about anything and is too far away that is shouldn't have value. I wish I could trade a 50-something overall pick for a key role player at the least and starting SG at best. This seems pretty ass backwards to me, if I'm keepin it a buck.
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 12, 2018 2:33:14 GMT
Cleveland trades away a player for cents on the dollar as another player who is similarly situated signs with the team? Ian Noble are we sure the Covington deal was not conditional? I also don't really understand how Walt Frazier can accept this yet reject the Ibaka-Parsons deal. Stands by the patented "not enough to reject." I don't know how anyone sees this as anything other than extremely lopsided. You guys do realize that Cedi is about to walk into a starting position on the Cavs? Will those 2nd round picks ever sniff 20 minutes a game? All this combined with Price's offer of Hood straight up? Milwaukee's 2019 second is in the 50's. Utah's 2021 can be damn near just about anything and is too far away that is shouldn't have value. I wish I could trade a 50-something overall pick for a key role player at the least and starting SG at best. This seems pretty ass backwards to me, if I'm keepin it a buck. Huh? Covington deal conditional on what? Cedi was never mentioned in negotiations for Covington. Ibaka is SUCH a better piece than Chandler Parsons. Parsons is basically dead money. Ibaka starts on a top-4 Eastern Conference Team. Cedi may start on a middle of the road team. He's also 23 (I know Ibaka is way older but these are two different trades, not a direct comparison). No guarantee he really gets much better. And while his 3pt shooting showed some signs of interest, the fact he shot 56% from the line is a huge red flag. He also gets paid about the same as established starting veteran players get in this league, like Ariza or Dwight Howard. I'm not saying he's a bad contract but he has to significantly improve just to be worth the contract he has. If not, it is a slightly bad contract. Ibaka is a meh contract. There are much worse. Parsons is a no good very bad horrible contract.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 12, 2018 2:41:41 GMT
Cleveland trades away a player for cents on the dollar as another player who is similarly situated signs with the team? Ian Noble are we sure the Covington deal was not conditional? I also don't really understand how Walt Frazier can accept this yet reject the Ibaka-Parsons deal. Stands by the patented "not enough to reject." I don't know how anyone sees this as anything other than extremely lopsided. You guys do realize that Cedi is about to walk into a starting position on the Cavs? Will those 2nd round picks ever sniff 20 minutes a game? All this combined with Price's offer of Hood straight up? Milwaukee's 2019 second is in the 50's. Utah's 2021 can be damn near just about anything and is too far away that is shouldn't have value. I wish I could trade a 50-something overall pick for a key role player at the least and starting SG at best. This seems pretty ass backwards to me, if I'm keepin it a buck. Laugh at me now... It ain't related to Covington. I wish I negotiated better but what is done is done
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 12, 2018 2:55:57 GMT
Cleveland trades away a player for cents on the dollar as another player who is similarly situated signs with the team? Ian Noble are we sure the Covington deal was not conditional? I also don't really understand how Walt Frazier can accept this yet reject the Ibaka-Parsons deal. Stands by the patented "not enough to reject." I don't know how anyone sees this as anything other than extremely lopsided. You guys do realize that Cedi is about to walk into a starting position on the Cavs? Will those 2nd round picks ever sniff 20 minutes a game? All this combined with Price's offer of Hood straight up? Milwaukee's 2019 second is in the 50's. Utah's 2021 can be damn near just about anything and is too far away that is shouldn't have value. I wish I could trade a 50-something overall pick for a key role player at the least and starting SG at best. This seems pretty ass backwards to me, if I'm keepin it a buck. Huh? Covington deal conditional on what? Cedi was never mentioned in negotiations for Covington. Ibaka is SUCH a better piece than Chandler Parsons. Parsons is basically dead money. Ibaka starts on a top-4 Eastern Conference Team. Cedi may start on a middle of the road team. He's also 23 (I know Ibaka is way older but these are two different trades, not a direct comparison). No guarantee he really gets much better. And while his 3pt shooting showed some signs of interest, the fact he shot 56% from the line is a huge red flag. He also gets paid about the same as established starting veteran players get in this league, like Ariza or Dwight Howard. I'm not saying he's a bad contract but he has to significantly improve just to be worth the contract he has. If not, it is a slightly bad contract. Ibaka is a meh contract. There are much worse. Parsons is a no good very bad horrible contract. Cedi is SUCH a better piece than a 50-something pick in NEXT YEARS draft. That's my point. Last years picks 50-60 played a combined ~560 minutes last season. The best player in the 2016 NBA draft in those selections was Kay Felder, and those picks have played a combined 2,161 minutes so far, with Tyrone Wallace playing the most. 2015 NBA Draft: 29 total minutes by Branden Dawson, that's it. 2014 NBA Draft: 2,596 total minutes, with Semaj Criston leading the way. Like c'mon. Don't sit there and say a pick in that range is equal to Cedi Osman. 56% from the line ON 0.8 FREE THROWS PER GAME DUDE, your sample kills all credibility that stat has. JR is gone by February if not sooner. Korver may stick around. The team's future is Sexton, Cedi, Clarkson, Hood, Nance, Love, and maybe Thompson. And the way Cedi played in the post season compared to Clarkson should blatantly show that he will play and should play over Clarkson. Cedi right now is the equivalent to a guy coming off his rookie season tearing up the summer league and he's being traded for garbage. But a salary dump for a past-prime PF is rejectable? Gimme a break, braj
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 12, 2018 2:56:23 GMT
Cleveland trades away a player for cents on the dollar as another player who is similarly situated signs with the team? Ian Noble are we sure the Covington deal was not conditional? I also don't really understand how Walt Frazier can accept this yet reject the Ibaka-Parsons deal. Stands by the patented "not enough to reject." I don't know how anyone sees this as anything other than extremely lopsided. You guys do realize that Cedi is about to walk into a starting position on the Cavs? Will those 2nd round picks ever sniff 20 minutes a game? All this combined with Price's offer of Hood straight up? Milwaukee's 2019 second is in the 50's. Utah's 2021 can be damn near just about anything and is too far away that is shouldn't have value. I wish I could trade a 50-something overall pick for a key role player at the least and starting SG at best. This seems pretty ass backwards to me, if I'm keepin it a buck. Laugh at me now... It ain't related to Covington. I wish I negotiated better but what is done is done Look around, its not just me laughing. And its not just now
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jul 12, 2018 3:14:53 GMT
Huh? Covington deal conditional on what? Cedi was never mentioned in negotiations for Covington. Ibaka is SUCH a better piece than Chandler Parsons. Parsons is basically dead money. Ibaka starts on a top-4 Eastern Conference Team. Cedi may start on a middle of the road team. He's also 23 (I know Ibaka is way older but these are two different trades, not a direct comparison). No guarantee he really gets much better. And while his 3pt shooting showed some signs of interest, the fact he shot 56% from the line is a huge red flag. He also gets paid about the same as established starting veteran players get in this league, like Ariza or Dwight Howard. I'm not saying he's a bad contract but he has to significantly improve just to be worth the contract he has. If not, it is a slightly bad contract. Ibaka is a meh contract. There are much worse. Parsons is a no good very bad horrible contract. Cedi is SUCH a better piece than a 50-something pick in NEXT YEARS draft. That's my point. Last years picks 50-60 played a combined ~560 minutes last season. The best player in the 2016 NBA draft in those selections was Kay Felder, and those picks have played a combined 2,161 minutes so far, with Tyrone Wallace playing the most. 2015 NBA Draft: 29 total minutes by Branden Dawson, that's it. 2014 NBA Draft: 2,596 total minutes, with Semaj Criston leading the way. Like c'mon. Don't sit there and say a pick in that range is equal to Cedi Osman. 56% from the line ON 0.8 FREE THROWS PER GAME DUDE, your sample kills all credibility that stat has. JR is gone by February if not sooner. Korver may stick around. The team's future is Sexton, Cedi, Clarkson, Hood, Nance, Love, and maybe Thompson. And the way Cedi played in the post season compared to Clarkson should blatantly show that he will play and should play over Clarkson. Cedi right now is the equivalent to a guy coming off his rookie season tearing up the summer league and he's being traded for garbage. But a salary dump for a past-prime PF is rejectable? Gimme a break, braj How many other 23 year olds are in summer league? That being said, he's kind of interesting but he has to develop a lot just to be worth his contract here. I think 2 2nd round picks for him isn't that far off. Or maybe I'm just not convinced or not as big of a fan of him as you are. Maybe I still value Ibaka. But I know Parsons is soooo bad. None of the pieces in this trade are negatives. Maybe it's $1 Cedi Osman for two .30 cent 2nd round picks... But you'd have to pay me $20.00 to take Parsons, while the right team will give you $5 for Ibaka.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 12, 2018 3:17:40 GMT
I am happy with my wing depth moving forward. The 2019 draft is stacked with wings at the top. We need cap space. And that 2021 draft is underrated.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 12, 2018 3:23:00 GMT
Not rejectable by any measure..
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jul 12, 2018 4:42:45 GMT
Cedi is certainly not worth his contract now. He may be in the future, but to all non-cavs fans he's seen as a big risk on that deal currently
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 12, 2018 5:09:31 GMT
Cedi is certainly not worth his contract now. He may be in the future, but to all non-cavs fans he's seen as a big risk on that deal currently Lol there is no bigger Cavs fan than me. That contract is ridiculous .
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Post by Mark Price on Jul 12, 2018 6:06:43 GMT
Cedi is certainly not worth his contract now. He may be in the future, but to all non-cavs fans he's seen as a big risk on that deal currently Lol there is no bigger Cavs fan than me. That contract is ridiculous . This isn't a great contract, but there's a lot of money going to players that aren't worth it. That's what happens when 10 of the top 20ish players on three teams. That's why you have guys like Biyombo, Will Barton, Gallinari, Reggie Jackson etc. all making over $20 million a year. The good players don't leave where they are and the bad teams give bad contracts to mediocre players. They have to over pay mediocre plauers just to land free agents. But with the MLE they have to pay around/over $10 per year just to keep them away from good teams who would spend their whole MLE on those guys. Because of that the market is off for those players and half the league tries to tank while another portion trades bad salary around to create cap space to sign mediocre players. Young players don't come on the market very often. That's why teams were bidding up to $8 million a year for Cedi in the first place. There isn't much young controllable talent going around. Players with bird rights are the most valuable commodity in a league without parody (which is what basketball leagues). Osman isn't the player worth pitching this argument over. The overall point is that teams giving up young players for cap space to over pay the early mentioned mediocre players that actually move between teams is how this cycle keeps going. I don't think there's a way to stop a cycle like this and I've been guilty of dumping bad contracts for assets myself. But the continuation of suspect trades for salary relief just to sign mediocre players to bad deals like the ones mentioned above isn't good for the league.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 12, 2018 7:32:12 GMT
I personally would not trade Cedi for two 2nds, but it's not like this deal breaks either teams, and obviously there was no promise made to Covington regarding trading Cedi.
I accept.
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Post by Charles Barkley on Jul 12, 2018 22:18:12 GMT
Cedi is certainly not worth his contract now. He may be in the future, but to all non-cavs fans he's seen as a big risk on that deal currently Lol there is no bigger Cavs fan than me. That contract is ridiculous . It’s 8 mill a year for 3 years. How is this ridiculous? A full MLE is worth more than that right now, a lot more. As the cap keeps rising, players need to expect to be paid more and more. The League has terrible economic problems right now because we are at the extreme ends of things.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jul 13, 2018 4:32:55 GMT
Cleveland Trade73 Cedi Osman $8,000,000 $8,000,000 $8,000,000 Utah Trade2019 MIL 2nd 2021 UTA 2nd We accept. It is kinda sad that we need to give up Osman but we badly need capspace. We trust our scouting team that those two 2nd round picks will be worth it. >> Offers bench player $32.5 million >> Player chooses where to sign, includes the possibility of sliding into a starting role as a reason to sign with Cleveland >> Praises the signing as a win >> Trades player for two 2nd rounders two months later >> "Kinda sad but badly need capspace" Lol
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jul 13, 2018 4:36:02 GMT
Cleveland Trade73 Cedi Osman $8,000,000 $8,000,000 $8,000,000 Utah Trade2019 MIL 2nd 2021 UTA 2nd We accept. It is kinda sad that we need to give up Osman but we badly need capspace. We trust our scouting team that those two 2nd round picks will be worth it. Cedi signed a deal for 4 years, $32.5m. This contract is wrong
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Post by Jeremiah Hill on Jul 13, 2018 12:24:11 GMT
Perhaps they are using next years salary changeover?
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Post by Elton Brand on Jul 13, 2018 17:48:12 GMT
So I believe this trade is approved right? It got 4 accepts.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 13, 2018 18:01:52 GMT
So I believe this trade is approved right? It got 4 accepts. Is this your first trade that got passed? Trade passed
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Post by Elton Brand on Jul 13, 2018 18:06:30 GMT
So I believe this trade is approved right? It got 4 accepts. Is this your first trade that got passed? Trade passed Ouch. I had the one where I traded for Cory Joseph and some late first rounders and early second rounders.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jul 13, 2018 23:11:03 GMT
Can someone help me understand what's going on with the salary here? Cedi signed an extension in April with a starting salary of $8.5m going for 4 total years. I'm assuming that first year is for 2018-2019 and should be reflected in this trade, which it is not
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