Spike Lee
Former Knicks GM
Sophomore
Posts: 366
Sept 15, 2018 22:53:48 GMT
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Post by Spike Lee on Jul 5, 2018 21:27:36 GMT
When I first joined, I had goals of building through the draft to create a core of young players we could build around, while acquiring picks and avoiding negative contracts. As a result, we have acquired players like Dennis Smith Jr, Aaron Gordon, Jusuf Nurkic, Buddy Hield and Ricky Rubio as well as ~$50m in cap space to sign free agents next off season. With the strides we made during my tenure, I believe we are only a step or two away from becoming a force in this league. But as much I want this team to succeed, unfortunately that cannot be with Spike Lee at the helm. As such, effective immediately, I will be stepping down as the GM of the New York Knicks, to make room for return for Billy King to make his way back to D5. I have enjoyed my time here and hope to continue to stick around as assistant GM, with the most important mission of accepting next year's team options. Who knows, I might even be back in a few months to take over next time BK gets mad over something small and leaves again. Spike Lee
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Billy King
Former Jazz and Knicks GM
Rookie
Posts: 247
Oct 30, 2023 14:13:22 GMT
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Post by Billy King on Jul 5, 2018 21:35:18 GMT
Dennis Smith Jr, Aaron Gordon, Jusuf Nurkic, Buddy Hield and Ricky Rubio otb
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Post by Alex English on Jul 5, 2018 21:53:07 GMT
Uh what? Is this specifically about giving Billy King the Knicks? What about guys like Tom Izzo Arvydas Sabonis Amare Stoudemire Jerry West? I'm not sure you can have a conditional resignation. Considering we had a trial period of three people just to get the next Utah Jazz manager, I'm not sure this plan will go over well. Not that having Billy King back in D5 would be a bad thing, but this whole thing just seems weird to me.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 5, 2018 22:11:13 GMT
Another big boy move by Spike.
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Spike Lee
Former Knicks GM
Sophomore
Posts: 366
Sept 15, 2018 22:53:48 GMT
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Post by Spike Lee on Jul 5, 2018 22:11:46 GMT
Uh what? Is this specifically about giving Billy King the Knicks? What about guys like Tom Izzo Arvydas Sabonis Amare Stoudemire Jerry West ? I'm not sure you can have a conditional resignation. Considering we had a trial period of three people just to get the next Utah Jazz manager, I'm not sure this plan will go over well. Not that having Billy King back in D5 would be a bad thing, but this whole thing just seems weird to me. I was mostly kidding about the conditional resignation. But the rest, I've already ran by Ian and he said it was ok.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 5, 2018 22:22:47 GMT
Wtf
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Post by Alex English on Jul 5, 2018 22:26:19 GMT
I was mostly kidding about the conditional resignation. But the rest, I've already ran by Ian and he said it was ok. Ok so Billy King is the new gm of the Knicks and you're the assistant gm? Welcome back Billy King ?
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 5, 2018 22:57:48 GMT
Billy King rage quit over nothing, that's not healthy for the league. Get to the back of the line. We shouldn't be handing him a new team like that. Sorry dude, there are other people on this forum that deserve a chance.
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Spike Lee
Former Knicks GM
Sophomore
Posts: 366
Sept 15, 2018 22:53:48 GMT
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Post by Spike Lee on Jul 5, 2018 23:00:49 GMT
Billy King rage quit over nothing, that's not healthy for the league. Get to the back of the line. We shouldn't be handing him a new team like that. Sorry dude, there are other people on this forum that deserve a chance. Good thing it's not your call
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 5, 2018 23:13:02 GMT
Seriously man. You deserves to be fired if we are really on the job but we are just playing here. You are a good GM and a patient one with a vision. Do you really need to quit?
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Spike Lee
Former Knicks GM
Sophomore
Posts: 366
Sept 15, 2018 22:53:48 GMT
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Post by Spike Lee on Jul 5, 2018 23:26:02 GMT
Seriously man. You deserves to be fired if we are really on the job but we are just playing here. You are a good GM and a patient one with a vision. Do you really need to quit? I'm only stepping down on the condition that BK takes over my team. I don't want to, but it's clear that I have been unable to handle all my duties as GM. If you guys have an issue with BK taking over with formalities and such, I could retain the title and have BK make all the decisions as asst GM but the reality is that I just don't have the time and I want my team in the hands of someone I can trust.
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jul 6, 2018 5:00:26 GMT
I want to go on record and just say I'm 100% interested in the Knicks job. But I won't be taking any assistants on my staff for the time being.
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Post by Arvydas Sabonis on Jul 6, 2018 7:14:27 GMT
Uh what? Is this specifically about giving Billy King the Knicks? What about guys like Tom Izzo Arvydas Sabonis Amare Stoudemire Jerry West ? I'm not sure you can have a conditional resignation. Considering we had a trial period of three people just to get the next Utah Jazz manager, I'm not sure this plan will go over well. Not that having Billy King back in D5 would be a bad thing, but this whole thing just seems weird to me. Cheers for looking out for us! I'm very busy in personal life at this time, so it would have been a real stretch at the moment to take a new team in middle of Free Agency. Still interested for any openings later this year if new teams open up. Good luck to whoever will be the new GM of Knicks!
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 6, 2018 7:41:46 GMT
I did give 'the OK' for this to go ahead, partly because Billy King would probably win a GM-trial anyway, but also because I was glad to keep Spike Lee around even if he has been a pain in the ass for the last week As disruptive as Spike has been, the Knicks have only improved whilst he's been GM, but it would also be good for someone as crazy active as Billy King to return.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 6, 2018 7:56:05 GMT
I think the Knicks should be allowed to bid on 80+ free agents now that there has been a GM change. I can already envision the Whiteside pitch.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 6, 2018 8:27:35 GMT
I did give 'the OK' for this to go ahead, partly because Billy King would probably win a GM-trial anyway, but also because I was glad to keep Spike Lee around even if he has been a pain in the ass for the last week As disruptive as Spike has been, the Knicks have only improved whilst he's been GM, but it would also be good for someone as crazy active as Billy King to return. What's next.. giving Vlade Divac a thumbs up to return? Com' on man, this league is better than that. Highly disappointed. What's the point of having a wait list if people get jumped in line over a previous GM who rage quit? Get rid of the join thread Ian.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jul 6, 2018 8:34:29 GMT
I did give 'the OK' for this to go ahead, partly because Billy King would probably win a GM-trial anyway, but also because I was glad to keep Spike Lee around even if he has been a pain in the ass for the last week As disruptive as Spike has been, the Knicks have only improved whilst he's been GM, but it would also be good for someone as crazy active as Billy King to return. What's next.. giving Vlade Divac a thumbs up to return? Com' on man, this league is better than that. Highly disappointed. What's the point of having a wait list if people get jumped in line over a previous GM who rage quit? Get rid of the join thread Ian. Calm your tits Sparky Seriously though I'm really glad to have Billy King back in the league. Obviously the circumstances in this instance are different to when a GM gets fired. One day I will automate enough stuff to open my backburner project and we can have 48 teams and every new GM will find a team.
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Post by Chauncey Billups on Jul 6, 2018 8:38:39 GMT
What's next.. giving Vlade Divac a thumbs up to return? Com' on man, this league is better than that. Highly disappointed. What's the point of having a wait list if people get jumped in line over a previous GM who rage quit? Get rid of the join thread Ian. Calm your tits Sparky Seriously though I'm really glad to have Billy King back in the league. Obviously the circumstances in this instance are different to when a GM gets fired. One day I will automate enough stuff to open my backburner project and we can have 48 teams and every new GM will find a team. I'm calm.. I just absolutely do not agree with your decision to skip over the wait list and completely disregard the process of joining this league, that's all.
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 6, 2018 9:24:54 GMT
Who is Billy King? Sorry. I do not remember past GMs that did not accomplish anything.
I agree with Chauncey. Let us run the process as quick as possible for the sake of democracy.
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Billy King
Former Jazz and Knicks GM
Rookie
Posts: 247
Oct 30, 2023 14:13:22 GMT
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Post by Billy King on Jul 6, 2018 11:18:48 GMT
I appreciate Ian Noble letting me back in the fold. I’ll be a good caretaker of the NYK while Spike is off saving lives. Just to clear a few things up though, I never really said or thought that D5 was rigged, and I also didn’t quit because I was mad at something. It was a rather manic time in my life and that led to my withdrawal from most extracurricular activities and the stress of having to trade Whiteside for scraps was too much for my ultra fragile psyche. Life is better now and I have a lot more time. While I know a lot of other GMs would have wanted the knicks, the main reason I am here is because this job is temporary. I doubt anyone else would want to have to step down from the role after Spike gets some time again. P.s. @chauncey lmao how are the kings doing mate. You’re definitely not a quitter @hanamichi lmao how is pinoyhoops
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Post by Hanamichi Sakuragi on Jul 6, 2018 12:46:10 GMT
I appreciate Ian Noble letting me back in the fold. I’ll be a good caretaker of the NYK while Spike is off saving lives. Just to clear a few things up though, I never really said or thought that D5 was rigged, and I also didn’t quit because I was mad at something. It was a rather manic time in my life and that led to my withdrawal from most extracurricular activities and the stress of having to trade Whiteside for scraps was too much for my ultra fragile psyche. Life is better now and I have a lot more time. While I know a lot of other GMs would have wanted the knicks, the main reason I am here is because this job is temporary. I doubt anyone else would want to have to step down from the role after Spike gets some time again. P.s. @chauncey lmao how are the kings doing mate. You’re definitely not a quitter @hanamichi lmao how is pinoyhoops PH made it to two seasons. By the way, how did your super over extravagant tanking tactic do in Utah?
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Post by Amare Stoudemire on Jul 6, 2018 14:35:21 GMT
Let me start off by saying billy is cool and i like playing in d720 with him but whats the point of the process and waiting list if people can QUIT and then just jump back in a position? Than spikes lays out what hes done with the team but doesnt have the time so hes going to have bk take it over and him stay on as assistant gm, only to have bk say hes going to take care of the team but everyone on the roster is otb bc he hates them in essence tearing down what spike build while spike is the assistant gm to let him rip down while he watches?? Something is wrong with this scenario imo I get bk was here for a while but he got mad and quit y'all! Theres people waiting that wont quit the league no matter what (i am one of those people) This league is playing with fire allowing these sort of things to happen when their are rules in place almost like collusion a hush hush talk between spike and ian and bk! I understand people get mad but theirs no reason to quit on your fellow owners and the league as a whole. Say your piece, and move on but dont quit! Then be let right back in with good people waiting? Sounds like a trump move
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Post by James Kay on Jul 6, 2018 14:43:19 GMT
Than spikes lays out what hes done with the team but doesnt have the time so hes going to have bk take it over and him stay on as assistant gm, only to have bk say hes going to take care of the team but everyone on the roster is otb bc he hates them in essence tearing down what spike build while spike is the assistant gm to let him rip down while he watches?? This really rubs me the wrong way too. Makes no sense. I like Adam and the work he puts in but do we need another team like the Knicks to undergo the Billy King special - trading off your players for 6 random 2nd rounders to be spent on euro sleepers ? I thought the Knicks were making a really good rebuilding effort, I think barring them from signing 80+ FAs was too harsh because it punishes the league and not just the GM, and I think that putting all the Knicks pieces otb because “you hate them” is such a dumb strategy - who starts out their trades by devaluing their own assete?? If Adam/Billy wants to stick with the Knicks plan then fine but he shouldn’t come in on the pretense of sticking with Spikes vision and immediately declare that half the Knicks players suck and put them on the block.
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jul 6, 2018 14:52:32 GMT
I sorta agree. At least let the hiring committee discuss it. Maybe Billy still gets the job, maybe not.
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Billy King
Former Jazz and Knicks GM
Rookie
Posts: 247
Oct 30, 2023 14:13:22 GMT
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Post by Billy King on Jul 6, 2018 15:06:13 GMT
I sorta agree. At least let the hiring committee discuss it. Maybe Billy still gets the job, maybe not. AKA "I already pmed billy and he said 'no' to my trade rapes"
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Billy King
Former Jazz and Knicks GM
Rookie
Posts: 247
Oct 30, 2023 14:13:22 GMT
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Post by Billy King on Jul 6, 2018 15:08:56 GMT
Let me start off by saying billy is cool and i like playing in d720 with him ... Sounds like a trump move You know what sounds like a trump move? jk
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 6, 2018 16:57:28 GMT
Didn't Sam Bowie resign and give his team to someone else when it was my turn to get a team a few years ago? If Bowie can do it I have no problem giving BK a chance to return. He's the most qualified as it is
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Post by Tom Izzo on Jul 6, 2018 21:48:08 GMT
I'm admittedly biased here, I agree with the others above me regarding hiring. From what I understand, a hiring committee was formed to go through the process. If a GM gives up a team, how can he specify who gets the team? This completely discredits the process implemented here between a wait list and hiring process. If any GM can simply pick their successor then this whole process is bunk.
And for what it's worth, Billy King is a D5 staple personality and competent manager. But to blanketly state that he's best for the job does some of the waitlisters disservice. I've been involved in GM leagues since 2005 with the original NBA GM League (nbagmleague.proboards.com) and have created and ran my own leagues here and there, to include Franchise Five, Hoops Glory, and a few others . I participated in D5 a few years back, but lost track of it for multiple reasons. All this to say, Billy King and others are certainly viable replacements, but to circumvent a process that was implemented for a reason, and to simply state that one person is best for the job (without going through that process), I think, is unfair.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jul 6, 2018 21:55:34 GMT
I'm admittedly biased here, I agree with the others above me regarding hiring. From what I understand, a hiring committee was formed to go through the process. If a GM gives up a team, how can he specify who gets the team? This completely discredits the process implemented here between a wait list and hiring process. If any GM can simply pick their successor then this whole process is bunk. And for what it's worth, Billy King is a D5 staple personality and competent manager. But to blanketly state that he's best for the job does some of the waitlisters disservice. I've been involved in GM leagues since 2005 with the original NBA GM League (nbagmleague.proboards.com) and have created and ran my own leagues here and there, to include Franchise Five, Hoops Glory, and a few others . I participated in D5 a few years back, but lost track of it for multiple reasons. All this to say, Billy King and others are certainly viable replacements, but to circumvent a process that was implemented for a reason, and to simply state that one person is best for the job (without going through that process), I think, is unfair. I was in franchise 5
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Billy King
Former Jazz and Knicks GM
Rookie
Posts: 247
Oct 30, 2023 14:13:22 GMT
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Post by Billy King on Jul 6, 2018 22:34:30 GMT
I'm admittedly biased here, I agree with the others above me regarding hiring. From what I understand, a hiring committee was formed to go through the process. If a GM gives up a team, how can he specify who gets the team? This completely discredits the process implemented here between a wait list and hiring process. If any GM can simply pick their successor then this whole process is bunk. And for what it's worth, Billy King is a D5 staple personality and competent manager. But to blanketly state that he's best for the job does some of the waitlisters disservice. I've been involved in GM leagues since 2005 with the original NBA GM League (nbagmleague.proboards.com) and have created and ran my own leagues here and there, to include Franchise Five, Hoops Glory, and a few others . I participated in D5 a few years back, but lost track of it for multiple reasons. All this to say, Billy King and others are certainly viable replacements, but to circumvent a process that was implemented for a reason, and to simply state that one person is best for the job (without going through that process), I think, is unfair. This process was implemented when there is an open team. That was never the case here, Spike stepped aside to allow me to be GM of the knicks. He didn’t quit. If the position of GM of the knicks were going to be decided by the hiring process, he would not have resigned. I believe his resignation was contingent on me being GM and him being assistant. I think he could attest to that, and that’s what was relayed to Ian. He didn’t quit. There was never an open team.
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