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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 28, 2018 2:09:44 GMT
Minnesota Trades 76 Jae Crowder $24,773,250 $22,915,256 $24,773,250 $26,631,243 77 Kris Dunn $3,990,700 $4,162,600 $5,261,526 $6,903,123 2018 2nd Round Pick via TOR (#56)
Total: $28,763,950
Phoenix Trades 80 Thaddeus Young $19,085,000 $20,954,350 $21,126,089 70 James Young $2,627,442 $3,654,772 72 Milos Teodosic $3,000,000 $3,000,000 $3,000,000
Total: $24,712,442 (x 1.25 = $30,890,553 > $28,763,950 = Works under 125% rule)
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Post by Jared Montini on Jun 28, 2018 2:13:58 GMT
Accept, kris Dunn is an interesting piece and jae crowder could be a decent piece
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Post by Bryan Colangelo on Jun 28, 2018 2:15:54 GMT
Accept
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Post by Alex English on Jun 28, 2018 2:19:18 GMT
Accept
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 28, 2018 3:02:53 GMT
Love this deal for Jared.
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Post by Jared Montini on Jun 28, 2018 3:06:29 GMT
Love this deal for Jared. thanks man
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Post by Danny Longley on Jun 28, 2018 4:22:58 GMT
Accept
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Post by Andrei Kirilenko on Jun 28, 2018 6:24:03 GMT
Great trade, Walt. I think the league is very close to a tipping point where massive contracts are going to be nearly impossible to move, requiring a lot more than just a fringe prospect.
I think the tipping point potentially happens after this OSFA when some of the cap space teams use up their room. In fact, we have 16 projected MLE teams this July 1, which is over half the league. Of the 14 teams projected to have cap space, the Cavaliers, Heat, and Magic all have players to re-sign, meaning they won't have cap space next year. If we assume 2 more teams sign a big contract to Whiteside, McCollum, Bledsoe, DeAndre, etc., then that's 5 teams at full cap going forward... meaning only 9 teams will have any cap room next offseason.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2018 10:31:16 GMT
I accept, interesting deal. I feel like PHX gets the better end of it with Kris Dunn, but like Andrei Kirilenko says - contracts are going to start playing a bigger role in the league.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2018 10:35:02 GMT
Trade passed
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 28, 2018 13:02:25 GMT
Great trade, Walt. I think the league is very close to a tipping point where massive contracts are going to be nearly impossible to move, requiring a lot more than just a fringe prospect. I think the tipping point potentially happens after this OSFA when some of the cap space teams use up their room. In fact, we have 16 projected MLE teams this July 1, which is over half the league. Of the 14 teams projected to have cap space, the Cavaliers, Heat, and Magic all have players to re-sign, meaning they won't have cap space next year. If we assume 2 more teams sign a big contract to Whiteside, McCollum, Bledsoe, DeAndre, etc., then that's 5 teams at full cap going forward... meaning only 9 teams will have any cap room next offseason. Agreed on the contracts. I'm also hoping now player agents are more strict on the contracts they are handing out, which I believe the contract capping has helped. Crowder never should have been able to get the deal he got, so hopefully we'll see more realistic contracts being given and not who can just pay the most every time.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2018 14:55:58 GMT
Great trade, Walt. I think the league is very close to a tipping point where massive contracts are going to be nearly impossible to move, requiring a lot more than just a fringe prospect. I think the tipping point potentially happens after this OSFA when some of the cap space teams use up their room. In fact, we have 16 projected MLE teams this July 1, which is over half the league. Of the 14 teams projected to have cap space, the Cavaliers, Heat, and Magic all have players to re-sign, meaning they won't have cap space next year. If we assume 2 more teams sign a big contract to Whiteside, McCollum, Bledsoe, DeAndre, etc., then that's 5 teams at full cap going forward... meaning only 9 teams will have any cap room next offseason. Agreed on the contracts. I'm also hoping now player agents are more strict on the contracts they are handing out, which I believe the contract capping has helped. Crowder never should have been able to get the deal he got, so hopefully we'll see more realistic contracts being given and not who can just pay the most every time. We also need to ensure that mediocre players still get paid. I worry that adding value to smaller contracts is going to polarise player salaries at either end of the spectrum (super high or super low).
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Post by Kevin Hollis on Jun 28, 2018 15:05:31 GMT
All nets out if the lower teams take control of those players. However, there is our problem. I was trying to design/suggest a system where teams that are in the lottery consecutively face penalties in relation to lotto odds. Essentially, the same thing the NBA is going to implement. It just makes sense for parity. Especially in our leave where there is no incentive to try somewhat.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 28, 2018 16:13:55 GMT
I don't really understand why contracts need to be capped at all given that we have a max salary now. Let the free market do its worst. For every Jae crowder there's a Clint Capela who is massively underpaid due to capping
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Post by Walt Frazier on Jun 28, 2018 16:40:18 GMT
Does this one need to be Qeued for any reason? As in, I think everything works with 2017-18 numbers. If it's just Qeued until you get to it, that's cool. Just wanted to make sure it did work under 2017 numbers and such. Thanks
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Post by Glenn Robinson on Jun 28, 2018 16:59:45 GMT
I don't really understand why contracts need to be capped at all given that we have a max salary now. Let the free market do its worst. For every Jae crowder there's a Clint Capela who is massively underpaid due to capping If you're going to let the market do it's worst, wouldn't there be more underpaid players in the future because every team will be capped out with these big contracts to marginal players and can't spend the money? If marginal players are commanding 20+ million a year, I think you have a real issue on your hands. You might have a few rebuilding teams with cap space, but how many of them really spend a ton in free agency when they are chasing the illustrious draft pick? If a team wants to dole out that kind of cash and saddle their team with a big contract on the books, that's fine, but I'm speaking purely from the overall health of the league. I don't think it would be advantageous to keep letting role players get star money.
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Post by Ian Noble on Jun 28, 2018 17:04:37 GMT
Does this one need to be Qeued for any reason? As in, I think everything works with 2017-18 numbers. If it's just Qeued until you get to it, that's cool. Just wanted to make sure it did work under 2017 numbers and such. Thanks Queued section exists because, during the off season, It's easier for me to just queue everything up and process it all in-game (on the database) in one go afterwards.
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Post by Brian Scalabrine on Jun 28, 2018 18:21:14 GMT
I don't really understand why contracts need to be capped at all given that we have a max salary now. Let the free market do its worst. For every Jae crowder there's a Clint Capela who is massively underpaid due to capping If you're going to let the market do it's worst, wouldn't there be more underpaid players in the future because every team will be capped out with these big contracts to marginal players and can't spend the money? If marginal players are commanding 20+ million a year, I think you have a real issue on your hands. You might have a few rebuilding teams with cap space, but how many of them really spend a ton in free agency when they are chasing the illustrious draft pick? If a team wants to dole out that kind of cash and saddle their team with a big contract on the books, that's fine, but I'm speaking purely from the overall health of the league. I don't think it would be advantageous to keep letting role players get star money. Well presumably not every team would hand out stupid contracts and the league would learn from overpays and not repeat it. It's like in the NBA in 2016 everyone got crazy overpaid and now teams has corrected course and last offseason and this coming offseason contracts are much lower. Another thing is that capping contracts hurts worse teams. One of biggest tools for bad teams is to offer more money to sign guys who wouldn't otherwise consider them. If you take that away then why would any free agent ever sign with a bad team? Essentially you're killing the upward mobility of rebuilding squads, as well as teams would might identify undervalued players. For example hypothetically say Atlanta was a huge Capela fan and offered him the max last offseason. At the time we'd all say that's a huge overpay but clearly a year later he's shown to be worth it. Maybe in this hypothetical, Minnesota balks and now Atlanta has a key cornerstone piece, with a contract that's turned from an overpay into a fair market value deal. With contract capping this scenario pretty much never happens
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